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Form a syndicate so your community only has one of each codex to limit profits on bad products and don't spam Voidweavers against Astra Militarum.
This is the ultimate "GW is innocent, it's the player's fault for not organizing into a governing body to oversee 40k games for fairness" thing I've ever seen and it's hilarious.
You are a bad person for spamming Voidweavers against IG players, you probably pour cereal on top of milk.
Or you just like void weavers and think they are neat, and are just as reluctant to change armies as the Guard player is (given that basically anything from the Harlequin lineup will break them).
The solution isn't to never run voidweavers into Guard because otherwise you are a terrible person.
The solution is to make sure the game is balanced by it's creators so running voidweavers into Guard isn't so derpy.
That's all fine and dandy, but what can be done NOW, not later when GW gets around to it?
Focusing attention and complaints onto the actual cause of the problem (GW's rules) rather than a symptom (players using said rules) is a start. Doing any less just creates a fanbase where the players are to blame for all of the failings of the developer, which means that no change will come as the developer never has motivation or incentive to improve.
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Racerguy180 wrote: Okay, but what can you do, right now to mitigate the shittiness of GW's job?
If the answer is "wait for GW to do something about it"...keep waiting, I'm sure they'll get around to it sooner or later.
Many things can be done, but the first priority should be compelling GW to fix it.
Saying "GW is doing a gakky job and is being a gakky company and they should fix it" is part of the solution, and fighting against that statement is fighting against part of the solution. No one has said 'players should NOT talk to each other before a game.' They are saying 'players should not HAVE to talk to each other before a game.'
Form a syndicate so your community only has one of each codex to limit profits on bad products and don't spam Voidweavers against Astra Militarum.
This is the ultimate "GW is innocent, it's the player's fault for not organizing into a governing body to oversee 40k games for fairness" thing I've ever seen and it's hilarious.
You are a bad person for spamming Voidweavers against IG players, you probably pour cereal on top of milk.
Or you just like void weavers and think they are neat, and are just as reluctant to change armies as the Guard player is (given that basically anything from the Harlequin lineup will break them).
The solution isn't to never run voidweavers into Guard because otherwise you are a terrible person.
The solution is to make sure the game is balanced by it's creators so running voidweavers into Guard isn't so derpy.
That's all fine and dandy, but what can be done NOW, not later when GW gets around to it?
Agitating to make sure it doesn't happen again is part of what can be done.
Because I've never done that right? I've never said people should stop buying GW rules products until they get things right have I? You have to remember the forum rules as well, so I say you should buy codexes once as a group and share them amongst yourselves to minimize GW profits on badly designed books. GW already knowns they fethed up, they are in contact with the ITC and the ITC podcasters are saying that 40k is going to take a massive hit if GW doesn't fix their gak as soon as possible. If GW had hired me we would be playtesting properly and nothing like Harlequins would be released, because I'd have the Indian from Fiverr calculate the efficiency of prism cannon Voidweavers so I'd have a more balanced first guess at their points cost and then I'd make sure that someone played a list with 9 Voidweavers at least once during playtesting. These things aren't done now and that is GW's fault.
VladimirHerzog wrote: thing is the codex kinda HAS to spam SOMETHING considering its got 4 non character datasheet.
if its not voidweavers, its gonna be bikes, which equally gak on guard
It's amazing that I've played a dozen games against Harlequins without encountering a Voidweaver and now suddenly you cannot play without them. You can just bring 1800 pts in your 9x Voidweaver list, something I brought up earlier as well. It's not the IG player's fault that GW messed up, they don't deserve to get destroyed for the grave mistake of not chasing the meta and getting 9 Voidweavers.
I have never said wait for GW to do it.
I have never said don't complain to GW. Please complain to THEM.
I asked what can you the "boot on the ground" do about it, right now? Ya know to effect the game that you are playing tonite. Not the game you'll play on Tuesday or the game you'll play in that GT, I mean right frickin now? If you wait, get used to it. Or, take control of your enjoyment and do something locally about it.
We play open war narrative missions using matched play points. Then we work out what works/doesn't and go from there.
GW could make that either easier or non-existent, but relying on GW to fix stuff is quite possibly the biggest waste of time out there(40k related).
thing is the codex kinda HAS to spam SOMETHING considering its got 4 non character datasheet.
if its not voidweavers, its gonna be bikes, which equally gak on guard
Not at all, unless you consider 4-6 5 man squads of troops in their transports a spam. Units are pretty expensive and before this codex voidveavers were capped to 3. So yeah spamming voidweavers is definitely a WAAC or TFG move.
3-5 characters, 4-6 troupes in transports, 2-3 voidweavers and 6-10 bikes are more than 2000 points.
Racerguy180 wrote: Okay, but what can you do, right now to mitigate the shittiness of GW's job?
If the answer is "wait for GW to do something about it"...keep waiting, I'm sure they'll get around to it sooner or later.
of course waiting is the thing, specially now with Squats being out the former "boycott" social media crowed has turned 180° and is now on the full "10th will be the best edition ever because GW now listens again to the community"
"it will be balanced as everyone will be on the same level, it will be the last edition because GW now hast the game they wanted and there is no need to change things, they will release even more smaller new factions and Aliens etc, etc."
and this all from a single picture
so the answer is, go for a different game, use your models/collection with different rules and be happy
because no matter what is done now and how 40k is fixed, as soon as 10th hit everything is gone and forgotten and the circle starts again (we have seen this with 4th to 5th, 7th to 8th and we will see this again with 10th)
Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
Racerguy180 wrote: Okay, but what can you do, right now to mitigate the shittiness of GW's job?
If the answer is "wait for GW to do something about it"...keep waiting, I'm sure they'll get around to it sooner or later.
of course waiting is the thing, specially now with Squats being out the former "boycott" social media crowed has turned 180° and is now on the full "10th will be the best edition ever because GW now listens again to the community"
"it will be balanced as everyone will be on the same level, it will be the last edition because GW now hast the game they wanted and there is no need to change things, they will release even more smaller new factions and Aliens etc, etc."
and this all from a single picture
so the answer is, go for a different game, use your models/collection with different rules and be happy
because no matter what is done now and how 40k is fixed, as soon as 10th hit everything is gone and forgotten and the circle starts again (we have seen this with 4th to 5th, 7th to 8th and we will see this again with 10th)
If anything I think 9th-10th will be more akin to 6th-7th. People will (hopefully) see that GW hasn't actually changed or know what they're doing and look elsewhere.
hard to tell what GW will do, the 3 year Edition plan is messed up for sure because of the global situation
so everything is possible, from an "could have been an Errata" Edition up to a big reset
the one thing I am very sure about is that people will not see that nothing has changed but go for it because "this time"
but, from my past experience, as soon as people have played other games (don't mean as close to 40k as possible alternate rules, but really different games) they hardly go back to GW rules
Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
the one thing I am very sure about is that people will not see that nothing has changed but go for it because "this time"
but, from my past experience, as soon as people have played other games (don't mean as close to 40k as possible alternate rules, but really different games) they hardly go back to GW rules
Or they quit. They stay for an edition, then wait for the next codex update, and if that is bad or if the game is in a bad state when it comes out, they quit specially if they are marine players.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
Racerguy180 wrote: Okay, but what can you do, right now to mitigate the shittiness of GW's job?
If the answer is "wait for GW to do something about it"...keep waiting, I'm sure they'll get around to it sooner or later.
of course waiting is the thing, specially now with Squats being out the former "boycott" social media crowed has turned 180° and is now on the full "10th will be the best edition ever because GW now listens again to the community"
"it will be balanced as everyone will be on the same level, it will be the last edition because GW now hast the game they wanted and there is no need to change things, they will release even more smaller new factions and Aliens etc, etc."
and this all from a single picture
so the answer is, go for a different game, use your models/collection with different rules and be happy
because no matter what is done now and how 40k is fixed, as soon as 10th hit everything is gone and forgotten and the circle starts again (we have seen this with 4th to 5th, 7th to 8th and we will see this again with 10th)
If anything I think 9th-10th will be more akin to 6th-7th. People will (hopefully) see that GW hasn't actually changed or know what they're doing and look elsewhere.
You're welcome to leave this abusive relationship at any time.
Racerguy180 wrote: Okay, but what can you do, right now to mitigate the shittiness of GW's job?
If the answer is "wait for GW to do something about it"...keep waiting, I'm sure they'll get around to it sooner or later.
of course waiting is the thing, specially now with Squats being out the former "boycott" social media crowed has turned 180° and is now on the full "10th will be the best edition ever because GW now listens again to the community"
"it will be balanced as everyone will be on the same level, it will be the last edition because GW now hast the game they wanted and there is no need to change things, they will release even more smaller new factions and Aliens etc, etc."
and this all from a single picture
so the answer is, go for a different game, use your models/collection with different rules and be happy
because no matter what is done now and how 40k is fixed, as soon as 10th hit everything is gone and forgotten and the circle starts again (we have seen this with 4th to 5th, 7th to 8th and we will see this again with 10th)
If anything I think 9th-10th will be more akin to 6th-7th. People will (hopefully) see that GW hasn't actually changed or know what they're doing and look elsewhere.
You're welcome to leave this abusive relationship at any time.
And there's never been a better time to do it, honestly. There's SO many other good wargames out there, lots of them even letting you use your 40k models.
Racerguy180 wrote: Okay, but what can you do, right now to mitigate the shittiness of GW's job?
If the answer is "wait for GW to do something about it"...keep waiting, I'm sure they'll get around to it sooner or later.
of course waiting is the thing, specially now with Squats being out the former "boycott" social media crowed has turned 180° and is now on the full "10th will be the best edition ever because GW now listens again to the community"
"it will be balanced as everyone will be on the same level, it will be the last edition because GW now hast the game they wanted and there is no need to change things, they will release even more smaller new factions and Aliens etc, etc."
and this all from a single picture
so the answer is, go for a different game, use your models/collection with different rules and be happy
because no matter what is done now and how 40k is fixed, as soon as 10th hit everything is gone and forgotten and the circle starts again (we have seen this with 4th to 5th, 7th to 8th and we will see this again with 10th)
If anything I think 9th-10th will be more akin to 6th-7th. People will (hopefully) see that GW hasn't actually changed or know what they're doing and look elsewhere.
You're welcome to leave this abusive relationship at any time.
And there's never been a better time to do it, honestly. There's SO many other good wargames out there, lots of them even letting you use your 40k models.
Yup, but instead they're seemingly here living the 40k dream, hoping the game dies and feeling downtrodden about it.
Well there can be countless other games existing, but if the only fandom that exists in large enough numbers to have opponents to play is GW games, and store only sell GW stuff, after they got burned on what Privateer Press did, the play something else, is not really an option. And it is kin to telling someone to get smarter an richer, if they don't like the life they have right now.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
And there's never been a better time to do it, honestly. There's SO many other good wargames out there, lots of them even letting you use your 40k models.
True but if nobody around you plays them, but 30 people play 40k, it doesn't really matter how good all those other games are. I can either play 40k or play games like WMH/Infinity alone on my kitchen island because there's no other players in a 100 mile radius.
I think it is unfair to tell people who still love 40k to feth off.
I want to count 40k among the stable of games I am proud to play, rather than being disappointed every time I throw down on the table. I don't want to just quit.
Unit1126PLL wrote: I think it is unfair to tell people who still love 40k to feth off.
I want to count 40k among the stable of games I am proud to play, rather than being disappointed every time I throw down on the table. I don't want to just quit.
QFT. Remember, pretty much everyone here has put significant time and money into making a 40k army, and you don't do that on a whim - there's something in 40k that draws (or drew) us to it. The game doesn't have to be perfect for any of us in particular, but insisting that people who aren't happy shut up and leave is just as (if not more) abusive as the gak GW pulls.
Dudeface wrote: Yup, but instead they're seemingly here living the 40k dream, hoping the game dies and feeling downtrodden about it.
You can use a three-syllable word correctly, so you are smart enough to realize that "criticising the game in a discussion" and "wanting the game to die" are different things.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: I think it is unfair to tell people who still love 40k to feth off.
I want to count 40k among the stable of games I am proud to play, rather than being disappointed every time I throw down on the table. I don't want to just quit.
QFT. Remember, pretty much everyone here has put significant time and money into making a 40k army, and you don't do that on a whim - there's something in 40k that draws (or drew) us to it. The game doesn't have to be perfect for any of us in particular, but insisting that people who aren't happy shut up and leave is just as (if not more) abusive as the gak GW pulls.
I'm unsure if you're annoyed at the person saying they hope people stop playing the game next edition when they realise how evil GW are, or me for suggesting they are welcome to get out now if it's causing them so much grief that they want others to leave?
Unit1126PLL wrote: I think it is unfair to tell people who still love 40k to feth off.
I want to count 40k among the stable of games I am proud to play, rather than being disappointed every time I throw down on the table. I don't want to just quit.
QFT. Remember, pretty much everyone here has put significant time and money into making a 40k army, and you don't do that on a whim - there's something in 40k that draws (or drew) us to it. The game doesn't have to be perfect for any of us in particular, but insisting that people who aren't happy shut up and leave is just as (if not more) abusive as the gak GW pulls.
I'm unsure if you're annoyed at the person saying they hope people stop playing the game next edition when they realise how evil GW are, or me for suggesting they are welcome to get out now if it's causing them so much grief that they want others to leave?
Are the people who say "they hope people stop playing the game next edition when they realise how evil GW are" doing so because they feel criticism of the game/publisher is grounds for telling the criticizer to stop talking and go away?
Racerguy180 wrote: Okay, but what can you do, right now to mitigate the shittiness of GW's job?
If the answer is "wait for GW to do something about it"...keep waiting, I'm sure they'll get around to it sooner or later.
of course waiting is the thing, specially now with Squats being out the former "boycott" social media crowed has turned 180° and is now on the full "10th will be the best edition ever because GW now listens again to the community"
"it will be balanced as everyone will be on the same level, it will be the last edition because GW now hast the game they wanted and there is no need to change things, they will release even more smaller new factions and Aliens etc, etc."
and this all from a single picture
so the answer is, go for a different game, use your models/collection with different rules and be happy
because no matter what is done now and how 40k is fixed, as soon as 10th hit everything is gone and forgotten and the circle starts again (we have seen this with 4th to 5th, 7th to 8th and we will see this again with 10th)
If anything I think 9th-10th will be more akin to 6th-7th. People will (hopefully) see that GW hasn't actually changed or know what they're doing and look elsewhere.
Unit1126PLL wrote: I think it is unfair to tell people who still love 40k to feth off.
I want to count 40k among the stable of games I am proud to play, rather than being disappointed every time I throw down on the table. I don't want to just quit.
QFT. Remember, pretty much everyone here has put significant time and money into making a 40k army, and you don't do that on a whim - there's something in 40k that draws (or drew) us to it. The game doesn't have to be perfect for any of us in particular, but insisting that people who aren't happy shut up and leave is just as (if not more) abusive as the gak GW pulls.
I'm unsure if you're annoyed at the person saying they hope people stop playing the game next edition when they realise how evil GW are, or me for suggesting they are welcome to get out now if it's causing them so much grief that they want others to leave?
Are the people who say "they hope people stop playing the game next edition when they realise how evil GW are" doing so because they feel criticism of the game/publisher is grounds for telling the criticizer to stop talking and go away?
See above, it read to me as a "GW crap, game is crap, I hope people move on" which is injecting negativity to try and encourage people to leave, to induce a failed game/company.
Well I am just tired of the constant "but this time GW"
Every Edition and every army release the same and each time "this time" does not come
If you love 40k, love it for what it is and not for something it will never be
If this is not your game now it will never be as GW won't change
So stop pretending it will "soon (tm)"
What is going to happen now, just go back and read dakka threads from 4th/5th, 6th/7th and 7th/8th edition changes and you will know
And it won't be different "this time"
And if you don't like what 40k is now, rather leave sooner than later it want change
Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
