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40k is a franchise, like star wars or lord of the rings. There are movies, videogames, boardgames, rpg, table top games, fan art, etc. It's not really correct to call it a hobby

I believe that 40k is primarily a life style choice, as you can't afford much else but to live it.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
I believe that 40k is primarily a life style choice, as you can't afford much else but to live it.

Sort of like being a drunk…

 jeff white wrote:

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
I believe that 40k is primarily a life style choice, as you can't afford much else but to live it.

Sort of like being a drunk…

Exactly, the plastic must flow.

 Blackie wrote:
By your logic playing the game is simply playing. Not wargaming, which is more specific. Like reading comics, newspapers or books instead of just reading.

40k is a combination of multiple activities, it's not just "reading" or "playing" ("wargaming").

No, the reason your analogy doesn't work is because "40k" as an IP is not an activity at all.

 Blackie wrote:


If you're also playing videogames, reading stuff, cosplaying, playing board/miniature games about SW etc... then yeah, also SW can be an activity.

No, not really. You can be part of a fandom, but being part of a fandom itself isn't an activity.

 Gitdakka wrote:
40k is a franchise, like star wars or lord of the rings. There are movies, videogames, boardgames, rpg, table top games, fan art, etc. It's not really correct to call it a hobby

Probably. But it's definitely wrong to call it a game or primarily a game since the game is just a fraction of it.


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Hecaton wrote:

 Blackie wrote:
By your logic playing the game is simply playing. Not wargaming, which is more specific. Like reading comics, newspapers or books instead of just reading.

40k is a combination of multiple activities, it's not just "reading" or "playing" ("wargaming").

No, the reason your analogy doesn't work is because "40k" as an IP is not an activity at all.

You can't do 40k or be into 40k without doing activities. When those activities wouldn't take place at all without the interest in that IP then the IP becomes the hobby.

Hecaton wrote:

 Blackie wrote:


If you're also playing videogames, reading stuff, cosplaying, playing board/miniature games about SW etc... then yeah, also SW can be an activity.

No, not really. You can be part of a fandom, but being part of a fandom itself isn't an activity.

We disagree. Being an active part of a fandom (or a community more in general) itself can certainly be an activity, sometimes a very exhausting one .

 Blackie wrote:


Probably. But it's definitely wrong to call it a game or primarily a game since the game is just a fraction of it.

40k is two things.
It is the name of a game.
And the name of a franchise.

 Blackie wrote:
You can't do 40k or be into 40k without doing activities.

I don't really call passive consumption an activity, so no.

 Blackie wrote:
When those activities wouldn't take place at all without the interest in that IP then the IP becomes the hobby.

And also no.

 Blackie wrote:


We disagree. Being an active part of a fandom (or a community more in general) itself can certainly be an activity, sometimes a very exhausting one .

Nobody says "my hobby is Star Wars" because Lucasfilm/Disney don't push the idea of the "Star Wars hobby." You're just falling for GW's corpo-speak.

Me: "Do you 40K?"

Them: "I read the book and have played some video games, but I don't play the tabletop." Subtext-(I don't nerd that hard.)

Me: "M'okay, cool." subtext-(BEGONE PLEB YOU ARE BENEATH ME!)

It's a game that people think is the only thing in the hobby.

I had to vote hobby because the last two years have proven that GW cannot survive on game alone. If these minis were preassembled and painted virtually no one would have bought in during lockdown.

 Hairesy wrote:
I had to vote hobby because the last two years have proven that GW cannot survive on game alone. If these minis were preassembled and painted virtually no one would have bought in during lockdown.

Good point!


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 kirotheavenger wrote:

 Blackie wrote:


Probably. But it's definitely wrong to call it a game or primarily a game since the game is just a fraction of it.

40k is THREE things.
It is the name of a game.
And the name of a franchise.

And a hobby.

Fify

If 40k is a distinct hobby, is AoS it's own separate hobby? Necromunda? Aeronautica?

How much 40k does one need to do to be a 40k hobbyist?
What if I just build and paint, is that still 40k hobby? What if I do so using Vallejo paints and Army Painter brushes?

Yeah, it can be or not, that's the point. What a hobby is can be defined by personal experience.

People who only do 40k have 40k as their hobby. If someone only builds, paints, reads and even play maybe but only once in a while then his/her hobby can't be "miniature wargaming", even if that person invested tons of money and time into 40k, just not in playing 40k. I'd even argue that if someone just builds and paints 40k stuff then 40k is much more a hobby for that guy than for someone that spends much more time playing rather than bulding and painting models.

Others may have that "miniature wargaming" as their hobby instead, totally.

People who read magazines about a specific matter (kitchen, hunting/fishing, cars, weapons, music, etc...) don't have "reading" as their favorite hobby but reading that specific thing. People who only read mangas or comics are manga/comics readers, saying reading is their hobby is too vague and in most cases flat out wrong. I know people who don't read books but only comics and I refuse to accept that people who never read books consider "reading" as their hobby, even if they do spend a lot of time reading.

Someone will say "fishing is my hobby" as they read fishing magazines and stuff. They won't say "Nebula is my hobby because that's my favourite rod" (I don't fish, I just googled and picked the first manufacturer I found).

That's the rub, just because 40k is your favourite franchise, or even the only one you're so interested in, it doesn't somehow make the jump to being a hobby in and of itself.

Your comic book analogy is also confusing.
Saying "comic books" is a separate hobby to "novels" isn't something I would disagree with. Comics are a distinctly different beast to novels.
The comic book equivalent of this would be to say "Marvel is my hobby" "I really like watching the films, I really like reading the comics, I'm not a comic book reader I'm a Marvel reader".
That is not something I can get behind - Marvel is a franchise, not a hobby in and of itself.

kirotheavenger wrote:If 40k is a distinct hobby, is AoS it's own separate hobby? Necromunda? Aeronautica?

How much 40k does one need to do to be a 40k hobbyist?
What if I just build and paint, is that still 40k hobby? What if I do so using Vallejo paints and Army Painter brushes?

The mistake I made was thinking 'hobby' and 'interest' were the same thing. A lot of people use the terms interchangeably and truth be told, while they share q lot of ground, there are differences. 40k can absolutely be an 'interest', to someone and bear in mind, can refer to the 'verse itself or the game of the same name. Same goes for the other 'names'.

The thing with 'interests' is they often have hobby components/aspects. It's worth reading up on.

If you just build and paint, you're as much of a 40k hobbyist as someone who plays. I'd personally define it by the subject matter/activity (ie its 40k since you're painting 40k figs) rather than the tools used.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with defining yourself and your hobbies/interests by their more specific subset rather than the 'higher level/generic definition', especially if its only stuff within that specific subset you're into. I mean at that point 'hobbies' are just a subset of 'hobbies and pastimes' which is a subset of 'leisure activities' - you can nitpick the whole thing to absurdity and it does no one any good.

kirotheavenger wrote:Someone will say "fishing is my hobby" as they read fishing magazines and stuff. They won't say "Nebula is my hobby because that's my favourite rod" (I don't fish, I just googled and picked the first manufacturer I found).

That's the rub, just because 40k is your favourite franchise, or even the only one you're so interested in, it doesn't somehow make the jump to being a hobby in and of itself.

.

Going back to sports, is it OK to say 'I'm into running', or 'I'm into football' as opposed to 'I'm into sports'?

I nean, I'm no expert but I've no doubt that fisherfolks can also define their fishing by where/how they do it - I presume there's distinct differences between angling by a riverside and deep sea fishing in a boat or salt water/fresh water differences that one can define themselves by without issue (not an expert). Is underwater fishing a thing? It should be... I mean, I'm sure there's fishing nerds who will wax on endlessly about the differences between the two and why they're not the same thing...

I Still don't see any issues with defining your hobby/interest by a more specific area rather than a less specific/more general names topic.

There is also the thing where for a great number of people, 'warhammer' and 'wargaming' and 'painting doods' are synonymous and interchangeable terms.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
If 40k is a distinct hobby, is AoS it's own separate hobby? Necromunda? Aeronautica?

How much 40k does one need to do to be a 40k hobbyist?
What if I just build and paint, is that still 40k hobby? What if I do so using Vallejo paints and Army Painter brushes?

Why not? If that is your jam, jam on!

All that is necessary is to identify 40k as one’s hobby - who are you to demand more?

Why not? Modeling 40k can be a hobby, if that is what you do and if this is how you feel about it. Someone earlier mentioned that with the lockdowns, games were out, modeling was in for most people. Why not, if this is how they choose to identify as a hobbyist, and how they spend their time, why not allow that this is their hobby?


About fishing, ABSOLUTELY fly fishing is special and unique activity unto itself, involving making flies for lures and even the art of casting and waiting, identifying the best places and times… totally different from say bait casting into the ocean or deep sea fishing for grouper or yellow jack or whatever… one can certainly say that she or he is a fly fisher person rather than yeah, I play sports, fishing…yada.

40K is to you*, whatever you wish to call it. But don't presume that it is to other people the same, nor that you can define it for them.
Each persons 40K experience is different, and up to them what they wish to define it as.



* that's a general 'you', meaning any reader, not specifically directed at any one poster; just so that's clear.

Why do we bother with a common language if everyone is free to just make it up as they go along?

Yeah, hmmm… I guess that poets should be shot?


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 Kcalehc wrote:
40K is to you*, whatever you wish to call it. But don't presume that it is to other people the same, nor that you can define it for them.
Each persons 40K experience is different, and up to them what they wish to define it as.



* that's a general 'you', meaning any reader, not specifically directed at any one poster; just so that's clear.

If a person says that baking is his hobby, or baking cookies or cakes, would anyone demand that no, in fact the hobby is cooking, or that baking cakes cannot be a hobby?

All these analogies you're coming up with are huge false equivalencies.
40k is a brand, a franchise, a universe.

Or you're all bringing up examples of distinct activies, baking, fishing, running.
The equivalent of what's claimed here isn't "I'm not a chef I'm a baker" it's "I'm not a baker, my hobby is Sainsburys".

Wait, I'm not engaged in my hobby when I'm building Marines? That seems odd, I was sure miniature collecting and painting was a hobby...

Building and painting minis is a hobby.
40k isn't, it's a franchise.

I play BRAND tm, I consume more BRAND tm, it is my hobby, BRAND tm.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
Building and painting minis is a hobby.
40k isn't, it's a franchise.

If you keep splitting hairs like that not even Herbal Essences can help you.

Can collecting and painting Gundam be a hobby?

Many people do ONLY that.
"My hobby is Gundam" seems not an unreasonable thing to say...

 jeff white wrote:
Can collecting and painting Gundam be a hobby?

Many people do ONLY that.
"My hobby is Gundam" seems not an unreasonable thing to say...

Exactly.

I only watch, read about and played (now retired) football. I'm not into sports, in fact I couldn't care less about pretty much all the other sports in the world. My hobby is football, not sports. It doesn't matter if football is also a sport. Saying like my hobby is sports is extremely vague, and doesn't really define what my interest is. Techincally even flat out wrong, as I'm only into one single sport.

Same for GW. I only care about GW, anything else (games, miniatures, etc...) to me doesn't exist. Now my hobbies might be painting miniatures, reading and miniature wargaming but if I say my hobby is GW that's much more accurate and sums it up much better. I'm not building and painting miniatures, I'm building and painting GW miniatures. I'm not playing miniature wargames, I'm playing a few GW games.

I've got an aunt that doens't really cook for hobby, she just bakes cakes. Her hobby is baking cakes, which techincally is also cooking. But cooking in general is not her hobby. Same for me, I couldn't care less about anything that isn't GW in the field of miniatures. So saying that my hobby is GW is much more true than saying that my hobbies are building/painting miniatures and miniature wargaming even if both of those are also technically true.

No, it would still be under modeling of miniatures.

Hmmm… ok. So, what about the cake baker? A cook?

 Blackie wrote:
I've got an aunt that doens't really cook for hobby, she just bakes cakes. Her hobby is baking cakes, which techincally is also cooking. But cooking in general is not her hobby. Same for me, I couldn't care less about anything that isn't GW in the field of miniatures. So saying that my hobby is GW is much more true than saying that my hobbies are building/painting miniatures and miniature wargaming even if both of those are also technically true.

The difference is that "cakes" are not an IP or corporate identity.