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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/03/21 23:25:36
Subject: Post Isstvan Raven Guard squad marking question.
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Troubled By Non-Compliant Worlds
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Attached is an image showing pre and post Heresy squad markings for RG. I have a couple questions before I break out the paints, I realize this may be a P&M question but I think it has a lore component.
1: When they say pre-Heresy do they mean these are the markings used prior to the rebellion? Would a post-Isstvan force use the post-Heresy scheme?
2: Do the colours shown in the example match up with company colours? So, for example, in the picture would the red assault squad marking denote a 3rd company assault marine?
I think I intend to use the pre-Heresy markings shown, but I want to know if I should be following company colours. So would a 3rd Company Tactical Marine use a red marking or were these colours role specific?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/03/21 23:39:20
Subject: Post Isstvan Raven Guard squad marking question.
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I do not know the RG specific, but any markings that are codex company markings would be post-Heresy. Before that each Legion would have their own.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/03/22 00:08:00
Subject: Post Isstvan Raven Guard squad marking question.
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Pre-Heresy suggests to me that the schemes shown were used prior to Horus turning traitor, so my question is when they say post-Heresy are they referring to what would have been used after that event? Obviously codex compliant marking are what is used after the codex comes into being.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/03/22 06:17:19
Subject: Post Isstvan Raven Guard squad marking question.
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Preparing the Invasion of Terra
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Post-Heresy and Codex are the same thing when it comes to unit markings. They didn't change their markings just because Horus turned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/03/22 06:40:14
Subject: Post Isstvan Raven Guard squad marking question.
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Perfect, thank you. That is the clarification I was looking for. To me it sounded as if the picture in question was talking about Crusade era vs Heresy. I suppose Crusade era they were Pale Nomads. I didn't really want to do the grey scheme and this picture seemed to present a good way to add some colour. I'm just going to go with the colours shown. This will also allow me to make use of some of my decals since I don't have enough white decals to do all the models. This way I can use the black ones and lay them over top the coloured bits.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/03/23 00:54:50
Subject: Re:Post Isstvan Raven Guard squad marking question.
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Two problems here. First, this is pre-Forge World canon. The RG markings were greatly changed and expanded upon in FW Horus Heresy books. Of course, you're fine to use these, it's after all canon source, and they look nice, but if you use these to play 30K, expect various elitists to screech at you and possibly refuse to play. Something something square knees snobs.
Anyway.
Second, these 'colored bits' seem to imply company colors (seeing they are identical to rims on right side, which Codex RG use to denote companies). Again, this is old canon, seeing pre-FW Raven Guard numbers were much smaller, but I'd expect them to use more colors than just Codex 10 companies, and you'd just need to pick color you like and paint it on the shoulder pads halving with black. Simple enough to not even need decals, just masking tape.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/03/23 01:22:26
Subject: Re:Post Isstvan Raven Guard squad marking question.
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Irbis wrote:Two problems here. First, this is pre-Forge World canon. The RG markings were greatly changed and expanded upon in FW Horus Heresy books. Of course, you're fine to use these, it's after all canon source, and they look nice, but if you use these to play 30K, expect various elitists to screech at you and possibly refuse to play. Something something square knees snobs.
Anyway.
Second, these 'colored bits' seem to imply company colors (seeing they are identical to rims on right side, which Codex RG use to denote companies). Again, this is old canon, seeing pre- FW Raven Guard numbers were much smaller, but I'd expect them to use more colors than just Codex 10 companies, and you'd just need to pick color you like and paint it on the shoulder pads halving with black. Simple enough to not even need decals, just masking tape.
Yeah I saw those updated markings and that's not the sort of thing I want to paint on rank and file. Far too detailed for my patience level with this army, I've already spent enough time converting Mk5 armour. This is coming from a guy who has to hand paint Lamenters chapter badges too, so I think I get a pass. One difficult hand painted badge is enough thanks! I don't mind that the example I shared is outdated canon, I actually like the throwback themes, especially on newer models. As for 30K snobs, well I hardly think I'll meet any, given the comparative rarity of HH players. Besides, there is the whole "we changed our markings to confuse the enemy" thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/03/25 14:11:13
Subject: Re:Post Isstvan Raven Guard squad marking question.
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I fully agree that FW markings are overcomplicated and only something I'd give to HQs and maybe some veterans, I was just warning you about insane snobbery some HH circles sport. And I don't consider the example you linked outdated, hell, I like it as a concept, really, it's a shame FW didn't built on that and instead insisted on hilariously overcomplicated and divergent markings even though all Terran legions were supposed to be identical and utilitarian designs, with Primarch additions being just a new coat of paint on something that already had decades if not centuries of tradition...
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