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 Daedalus81 wrote:

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
I think this is a bad idea, if only because GW has enough lines they don’t bother updating. When did Emperor’s Children last get something? How often does guard get something?

Thing is if they update everything then there's no new releases. There's always going to be a pile of unupdated stuff for quite a long time.

There's a middle ground between "updating every kit every year" and "oh, your kit is almost old enough to drink? Cool, have an upgrade sprue. That'll be an extra $9."

 waefre_1 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
I think this is a bad idea, if only because GW has enough lines they don’t bother updating. When did Emperor’s Children last get something? How often does guard get something?

Thing is if they update everything then there's no new releases. There's always going to be a pile of unupdated stuff for quite a long time.

There's a middle ground between "updating every kit every year" and "oh, your kit is almost old enough to drink? Cool, have an upgrade sprue. That'll be an extra $9."

Sure? Except the middle ground is more like the eldar release. Not the weird cadian thing that they really haven't done much with, or even repeated beyond the KT sprue for the definitely-not-that-old CSM.

 ceorron wrote:
It also explains this from the rumour engine. Also maybe some other things.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4d9_RkIt5mI/YLYfwMZ0HYI/AAAAAAABRd4/_pNTrnDcAMofCfuUQawbKiEbkAd3Ffe-ACLcBGAsYHQ/s633/2021-06-01.jpg

I'm hoping this is kill-team only really. Don't think anyone will be buying a full army of these.

It's not killteam only, it says in the article it's a full army. And My entire local store was ready to preorder today, myself included.

With any luck they will be 10 man boxes at $75 USD and use the 3rd edition imperial guard force organization for infantry.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
One day they'll remember the World Eaters exist. One day.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the Rumors say you're not in the vanilla book for CSM and are getting a release in the near future, no? And on top of that I believe that rumor is from the same group as these Dwarfs, which I'm told has so far predicted everything going back to the new Orks from last year?

The return of the Squats/Leagues of Votann (Votannites?) also shows that the Imperial way is not the only way for survival for humanity.

It's funny that some people really prefer the Necromunda "Squats" Ragnir and Grendel to this look. Don't get me wrong. I LOVE those guys. LOVE THEM. I wanted to do a whole Squat gang because of them--and I did. I got the amazing Space Dwarves from Hardcore Minis and fielded Burlok's Brotherhood (go look at Hardcore Minis. They are amazing)

But also, to me, these guys and Ragnir and Grendel all make sense together. Ragnir and Grendel were marooned on Necromunda. Grendel's mercenaries, the Vega Rams, were betrayed and shot up in the Spire and he fled to the Underhive to escape. Ragnir was also forced to work as a Gunsmith in the underhives after he 'retired.' They are Kin of the League of Votann, but refugees in human realms. They can't get League armor, League clothes, League weapons. They can't even get the stuff needed to maintain League tech out here. They are stuck with grubby, shoddy, clearly inferior common-human-stock crap.

It makes total sense for me for the Squats to look one way on human-dominated worlds, where the economy and architecture is entirely Imperial/AdMech driven, and to look another way (a cooler, high-tech way) when they have access to the awesome stuff from their Kin.

In short---embrace it! You have fully equipped members of The Votann League, and you have members of the squat diaspora. They both fit the universe!

Maybe they'll find a way to incorporate the old aesthetic with the new.

 firmlog wrote:
Oh and AT-43 Karmans in both armor style and colorings, though many wouldn't likely have the history for that.

Oh yeah, now that you mention it. I can see that.

Based on what we know of why Squats were originally Squatted*, I expect GW to stay away from the original Squat theme and aesthetic.

*Basically GW's creative team had no idea what to do with original Squats, and grew to hate the biker theme because they felt it was a joke faction and a disservice to the Dwarf archetype.

 Tyran wrote:
Based on what we know of why Squats were originally Squatted*, I expect GW to stay away from the original Squat theme and aesthetic.

And yet...

And I said incorporate, not just make them look like old Squats. Find a way to include some of the old with the new, much like how Genestealer Cults weren't completely redesigned, but kept their bulky mining suit aesthetic.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe they'll find a way to incorporate the old aesthetic with the new.

 firmlog wrote:
Oh and AT-43 Karmans in both armor style and colorings, though many wouldn't likely have the history for that.

Oh yeah, now that you mention it. I can see that.

Definitely, got design similarities. But its not to surprising when Rackham went under brought on some of their sculptors; as I recall they were initially working on AOS.

Dude is just really wide and hunchbacked. Like, he looks like a terminator with shorter legs. And 40k didn't need terminators with even worse proportions.

I'm wondering what's with the legs. The feet are in the shape of bare feet with toes, but metallic so I'm guessing cyberlegs? I hope they're not all amputees like Skitarii.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
One day they'll remember the World Eaters exist. One day.

World Eaters were also in the big, so far very correct list of rumours, which also included Squats.

For those of us who are unfamiliar with the Squats in the 40k universe, here are two great videos to watch:

Arbitor Ian looks at the history of Squats from Rogue Trader to 2nd Edition and the reasons for their 'Squatting':


Meanwhile, Snipe & Wib focus on the RT Squat army list from White Dwarf 111:

Iracundus wrote:
The return of the Squats/Leagues of Votann (Votannites?) also shows that the Imperial way is not the only way for survival for humanity.

Well, if you're HERETICAL enough to count these abhumans as examples of humanity!

Very happy to see this.

The number of fandexs (mine included) over the years has shown that there was always demand.

And the direction they've taken them is pretty much identical to a lot of those as well.

I imagine we'll get a glimpse at the dark age tech, perhaps even men of iron surviving amongst them?

Looking forward to seeing what they do. Keen to see what the exosuits look like.

I imagine a cross between the paragon suits and the ambots from Necro.

Da Butcha wrote:
It's funny that some people really prefer the Necromunda "Squats" Ragnir and Grendel to this look. Don't get me wrong. I LOVE those guys. LOVE THEM. I wanted to do a whole Squat gang because of them--and I did. I got the amazing Space Dwarves from Hardcore Minis and fielded Burlok's Brotherhood (go look at Hardcore Minis. They are amazing)

But also, to me, these guys and Ragnir and Grendel all make sense together. Ragnir and Grendel were marooned on Necromunda. Grendel's mercenaries, the Vega Rams, were betrayed and shot up in the Spire and he fled to the Underhive to escape. Ragnir was also forced to work as a Gunsmith in the underhives after he 'retired.' They are Kin of the League of Votann, but refugees in human realms. They can't get League armor, League clothes, League weapons. They can't even get the stuff needed to maintain League tech out here. They are stuck with grubby, shoddy, clearly inferior common-human-stock crap.

It makes total sense for me for the Squats to look one way on human-dominated worlds, where the economy and architecture is entirely Imperial/AdMech driven, and to look another way (a cooler, high-tech way) when they have access to the awesome stuff from their Kin.

In short---embrace it! You have fully equipped members of The Votann League, and you have members of the squat diaspora. They both fit the universe!

Yep, that’s where my head is at.

Also, I’d much rather GW spent their time adding new factions, units, or variations (come on guard regiments!) to the game, rather than rebooting the rules every five minutes.

Glad to see Squats return, not a fan of the new name.

Model looks nice, I do however think they should have chosen a different colour scheme. The white high tech armour is too similar to the Tau modern 'offical' colours scheme.

The hint of heretical tech, could mean full A.I.

Dont play 40k, but i deffo will get a combat patroll of these dudes.

While I'm at it, here's a link to Jervis Johnson's 2004 post on the Specialist Games' Epic: Armageddon forum explaining just why GW 'squatted' the Squats.

http://web.archive.org/web/20060129002420/http://forums.specialist-games.com/epic/forum_b/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=2532&whichpage=3

Funny, for squats they got time, to update other factions they don't and didn't, rather banishing more into legends.


Good for fans of them i guess, but i still find this to be something that should've had lower priority than it seemingly did.

I imagine the necromunda style represents squats as imperial auxiliary and these models represent squat as they normally go to battle. Would be cool to get the former as a kit

 GaroRobe wrote:
I imagine the necromunda style represents squats as imperial auxiliary and these models represent squat as they normally go to battle. Would be cool to get the former as a kit

I think the Necromundan squats represent them as they are on Necromunda – cut off from their people and forced to rely on local resources. Previously it was assumed they were there because their people were wiped out and they simply didn’t have a home to go to or resources to call on. Now we have to re-examine that assumption (why haven’t they gone home if they can? What if they can’t for other reasons than genocide? Do exiles get to keep their fancy armour?) but that doesn’t make their mode of dress any more likely to be stereotypical of the broader population of the Leagues than before.

 Kanluwen wrote:
From Bob over at War of Sigmar when the leak list first dropped, we can expect at least a Thudd Gun too.

I'll be quietly hoping for some form of Mole Mortar, too.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Feels like a missed opportunity to do something more interesting to me.

...such as?

Catulle wrote:

Gimgamgoo wrote:In other news... GW finally discovers the secret to milking nostalgic whales.

Is there a German word for failing the Thumper maxim?

...for doing the what now?

 Rinkydink wrote:
It will be interesting to see if any of the old Epic vehicles make it. Goliath Mega Cannon, Land Train, Colossus (All too big surely!?) Iron Eagle Gyro and Overlord etc.

I'd say there's a shot at a re-imagined Iron Eagle as their flyer in 40k. Not sure about SHTs, though.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
EC were beaten to their own codex by squats

wonderful

It is, isn't it?

One might even describe it as... perfection.

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
I think this is a bad idea, if only because GW has enough lines they don’t bother updating. When did Emperor’s Children last get something? How often does guard get something?

EC? Every time CSM get a release, currently, until they get splintered off into their own book.

Guard recently got the upgrade sprue for Cadians, and have had a couple of special characters in the last couple of years as well. Looks like there may well be Kasrkin int he offing too, going by that one Rumour Engine picture. Oh, and the DKoK from Kill Team, too.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
One day they'll remember the World Eaters exist. One day.

I believe they're included in the same accurate list of rumours as "coming, but I'm not sure of the release order".

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Is 2018 fairly recently to you? Loyalist Space Marines have had 70 relases since then!

Compared to the last release of a 40k Squat model? Yes, yes it is.

And, as noted above, the EC currently get to use any generic CSM stuff too.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I imagine the necromunda style represents squats as imperial auxiliary and these models represent squat as they normally go to battle. Would be cool to get the former as a kit

I think the Necromundan squats represent them as they are on Necromunda – cut off from their people and forced to rely on local resources. Previously it was assumed they were there because their people were wiped out and they simply didn’t have a home to go to or resources to call on. Now we have to re-examine that assumption (why haven’t they gone home if they can? What if they can’t for other reasons than genocide? Do exiles get to keep their fancy armour?) but that doesn’t make their mode of dress any more likely to be stereotypical of the broader population of the Leagues than before.

Perhaps not every single "Kin" is enlisted in the army?

 Dystartes wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Feels like a missed opportunity to do something more interesting to me.

...such as?

Such as? is such a BS response. It’s like saying, off the top of your head, come up with something better than a team of professional designers, who probably spent months working on this.

All I know it, this looks to me like the laziest, most predictable and boring thing they could have done to reinvent squats. Uninspired sub-Tolkien stereotypes in space.

I hope to be proved wrong when we see the rest of the range, but there’s so many things I would have preferred to have seen instead of space dwarfs.

What a great surprise.

Right this is exactly the type of design GW should do more since these minis now transcend the boring grim dark skull spam BS and make these minis useful in most scifi settings and games.

10 out of 10 for me even if his left arm seems a tad out of place and chunky.

Pretty sweet design on the Kin.

I don't mind the design, but I feel they've not quite captured the 'Dwarf' part of the 'Space Dwarf' look...

Yeah... It looks to me like a 28.5mm base too, but I guess it could be a 25mm one as well, which would make them smaller.


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I found a version where the base is scaled to roughly 25mm. I feel the model would make much more sense in this scale, but the base proportions indicate that this probably is not a 25mm base. Unfortunate. Giant space dwarves are just weird.