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I love them. Like a combination between primaris, gravis, and a bit of starcraft marines. Blizzard has become a steaming pile of vile manure lately so this is a nice bit of Karma that has been a long time coming and is well deserved.

Although I suppose not full Karma, for that the Age of Sigmar MMO that is being worked on needs to gobble up the WoW customer base, and a potential Total War 40k needs to eat the starcraft base, although that is admittedly a less direct 1:1 since it wouldnt be an rts.

Also this should probably be a well learned lesson for some not to jump the gun on crying about dwarfiness lol.

That armour looks so very much Van Saar... I order if that will be tied to the STCs they share.

It as been rather obvious since the primaris that gw is ripping off hard the designs of Starcraft2, but god damn thos exo armors are pushing hard, especially with that helmet.

 (HN) wrote:
It as been rather obvious since the primaris that gw is ripping off hard the designs of Starcraft2, but god damn thos exo armors are pushing hard, especially with that helmet.

Having an astronaut/flight suit inspired helmet is ripping off Starcraft 2?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I like

(well expect for the plasma blades, but they sound like they'll be a bit you can choose not to add, and the lack of helmets)

Voss wrote:
Helmets. That's all I want. Really, just _a_ helmet. Show me someone understands the concept, and doesn't just want to die despite battleship strength armor plate.

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Also, that horse icon raises questions... and now I want Votann clone-cavalry, just to show that they grasp the concept of horses.

If it reassures you any, the social media accounts confirmed in a couple places that they do come with helmets. They said the helmets are similar in appearance to these (top-left).

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 (HN) wrote:
It as been rather obvious since the primaris that gw is ripping off hard the designs of Starcraft2, but god damn thos exo armors are pushing hard, especially with that helmet.

Having an astronaut/flight suit inspired helmet is ripping off Starcraft 2?

Mate. The big ol' shoulderpads, the overall proportions, the chunkiness of the gauntlets, the almost identical shape of the helmet...

I like the new models with the starcraft asthetic. I think that they should have made a small egg shaped robocompanion like the tau with their drones or the CAT for Space Hulk as an homage to the originals.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Helmets. That's all I want. Really, just _a_ helmet. Show me someone understands the concept, and doesn't just want to die despite battleship strength armor plate.

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Also, that horse icon raises questions... and now I want Votann clone-cavalry, just to show that they grasp the concept of horses.

If it reassures you any, the social media accounts confirmed in a couple places that they do come with helmets.

Good news then. Im expecting these coming packed with extra bits.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Helmets. That's all I want. Really, just _a_ helmet. Show me someone understands the concept, and doesn't just want to die despite battleship strength armor plate.

----
Also, that horse icon raises questions... and now I want Votann clone-cavalry, just to show that they grasp the concept of horses.

If it reassures you any, the social media accounts confirmed in a couple places that they do come with helmets.

Good news then. Im expecting these coming packed with extra bits.

I certainly hope so. I generally have hesitations now about their social media group after everything that happened around Warhammer Quest Cursed City, but I will keep my fingers crossed.

I really wonder what the reason for the animal banner thing is. If it's just a culture thing I'd have assumed something like different visages of the Votann instead considering that's even built into their architecture.

Pretty meh on these, mostly for the lack of helmets and the humongous and oddly shaped shoulder pads. And the color scheme, as usual, but at least that's not going to be a problem.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Helmets. That's all I want. Really, just _a_ helmet. Show me someone understands the concept, and doesn't just want to die despite battleship strength armor plate.

----
Also, that horse icon raises questions... and now I want Votann clone-cavalry, just to show that they grasp the concept of horses.

If it reassures you any, the social media accounts confirmed in a couple places that they do come with helmets.

Good news then. Im expecting these coming packed with extra bits.

I certainly hope so. I generally have hesitations now about their social media group after everything that happened around Warhammer Quest Cursed City, but I will keep my fingers crossed.

It's fair to be wary but providing head options is one thing GW is consistently good at. I expect that the kit will allow you to make a fully helmeted squad even without social media team assurances. That's a standard we can reasonably expect from GW.

 Geifer wrote:
Pretty meh on these, mostly for the lack of helmets and the humongous and oddly shaped shoulder pads. And the color scheme, as usual, but at least that's not going to be a problem.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Helmets. That's all I want. Really, just _a_ helmet. Show me someone understands the concept, and doesn't just want to die despite battleship strength armor plate.

----
Also, that horse icon raises questions... and now I want Votann clone-cavalry, just to show that they grasp the concept of horses.

If it reassures you any, the social media accounts confirmed in a couple places that they do come with helmets.

Good news then. Im expecting these coming packed with extra bits.

I certainly hope so. I generally have hesitations now about their social media group after everything that happened around Warhammer Quest Cursed City, but I will keep my fingers crossed.

It's fair to be wary but providing head options is one thing GW is consistently good at. I expect that the kit will allow you to make a fully helmeted squad even without social media team assurances. That's a standard we can reasonably expect from GW.

Most other armies have helmets as the default head option with the non-helmeted as a secondary thing though, it seems like it might be going the other way around for the Leagues.

Honestly I don't care which heads GW prefers to show off as long as all the options are on the sprues. Once the kits are in the customers' hands, it really makes no difference.

It's kind of understandable to show the new Squats without helmets given they supposed to be clones. If they were a faceless horde, you might get the impression that they're the other kind of clones that all look the same instead of individualistic ones created from a deep and varied DNA pool whose purpose is to emphasize specific traits rather than to create exact copies.

These look ace. The nods to existing tech is cracking, the leg armour segments mirroring the ad mech robots for example, the marine bits, gravis like bits, all good. Familiar but new.

Yes it looks like that star craft thing but that as others said is clearly looking like a marine in a lot of ways and has also robbed off numerous mech designs that GW has also pilfered from. It’s cyclical inspiration (or robbing).

All in all I am impressed. Now, show me more vehicles.

Really like the Hearthkyn, immediately made me think of SC2 Firebats/Marauders with swords.

Which is a good thing.

derpherp wrote:
Also this should probably be a well learned lesson for some not to jump the gun on crying about dwarfiness lol.

If you're referring to a few pages ago, it was and still is an issue with the Infantry that had been revealed previously. More models being revealed now that are better with that side of things hasn't solved the problem with those other miniatures.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 (HN) wrote:
It as been rather obvious since the primaris that gw is ripping off hard the designs of Starcraft2, but god damn thos exo armors are pushing hard, especially with that helmet.

Having an astronaut/flight suit inspired helmet is ripping off Starcraft 2?

Mate. The big ol' shoulderpads, the overall proportions, the chunkiness of the gauntlets, the almost identical shape of the helmet...

I thought that for a bit, but then I saw this picture:

Those chunky shoulder pads are from the OG squat models 100%. The sword and gun is too. The segmented boots. Possibly even the domed head. Also firebats don't have hands, so I dunno what you are on about with gauntlets. The proportions are different too, smaller feet and "hands".

derpherp wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 (HN) wrote:
It as been rather obvious since the primaris that gw is ripping off hard the designs of Starcraft2, but god damn thos exo armors are pushing hard, especially with that helmet.

Having an astronaut/flight suit inspired helmet is ripping off Starcraft 2?

Mate. The big ol' shoulderpads, the overall proportions, the chunkiness of the gauntlets, the almost identical shape of the helmet...

I thought that for a bit, but then I saw this picture:

Those chunky shoulder pads are from the OG squat models 100%. The sword and gun is too. The segmented boots. Possibly even the domed head. Also firebats don't have hands, so I dunno what you are on about with gauntlets. The proportions are different too, smaller feet and "hands".

Try the standard terrain marine







The gun looks nothing like the gun on the old squat model. It looks more like the gun from Starcraft 2.
The shoulder pads look more like the marines' than the old model too, which are flatter.

Yeah... seeing that as more similar to the RT era egg than the starcraft marine is very surprising. No one is saying that it's a direct copy but rather very reminiscent of it. I'd say a 3d printed Raynor would be pretty much at home in a squat army if you adjusted his proportions to 85-90% on the z-axis (height).


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And finally the trifecta is complete and we can have a three way battle between the Terrans, Protoss, and Zerg in Kill Team. It's a good time to be alive!

derpherp wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 (HN) wrote:
It as been rather obvious since the primaris that gw is ripping off hard the designs of Starcraft2, but god damn thos exo armors are pushing hard, especially with that helmet.

Having an astronaut/flight suit inspired helmet is ripping off Starcraft 2?

Mate. The big ol' shoulderpads, the overall proportions, the chunkiness of the gauntlets, the almost identical shape of the helmet...

I thought that for a bit, but then I saw this picture:

Those chunky shoulder pads are from the OG squat models 100%. The sword and gun is too. The segmented boots. Possibly even the domed head. Also firebats don't have hands, so I dunno what you are on about with gauntlets. The proportions are different too, smaller feet and "hands".

By the gauntlets comment I meant their big ol' chunky fists giving their arms a similar silhouette to the Marauder's big chunky gun hands. And speaking of hands, the arrangement of the sword also heavily reminds me of SC2's Mira's Marauders. The feet are smaller indeed, but their legs are also similarly short and stubby compared to their big chunky torso and arms, similar like with the Marauders.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Helmets. That's all I want. Really, just _a_ helmet. Show me someone understands the concept, and doesn't just want to die despite battleship strength armor plate.

----
Also, that horse icon raises questions... and now I want Votann clone-cavalry, just to show that they grasp the concept of horses.

If it reassures you any, the social media accounts confirmed in a couple places that they do come with helmets.

Good news then. Im expecting these coming packed with extra bits.

Don't forget in the art for the leaked card set there was a Hearthguard with what looks like a small shield with two bolters so I'm guessing there's at least one alt weapon build. Hopefully with a few more of those massive hammers and some plasma axes..

really loving these - I've seen a few mocked in different colours and they rock. One minor thing is I wish they had more ornate helmets, or at least the champion would but I can understand the design choice not to.
This release must be not too far away - Army Box reveal at Gen-Con?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 (HN) wrote:
It as been rather obvious since the primaris that gw is ripping off hard the designs of Starcraft2, but god damn thos exo armors are pushing hard, especially with that helmet.

Having an astronaut/flight suit inspired helmet is ripping off Starcraft 2?

Mate. The big ol' shoulderpads, the overall proportions, the chunkiness of the gauntlets, the almost identical shape of the helmet...

And that just the front. That segmented spine looks A LOT like the one on SC2 marines, and were shown pretty upclose in their now iconic intro cinematic, a cinematic btw that GW has recently totally ripped-off in their Gearing up of a space marine cinematic, showing how painfully creatively bankrupt and shameless they are.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I really wonder what the reason for the animal banner thing is. If it's just a culture thing I'd have assumed something like different visages of the Votann instead considering that's even built into their architecture.

Agreed, the animals tip of thos crest always felt off to me, the style doesn't fit with the aesthetic of the rest of the crest or anything else on thos models for that matter. Having a more runic looking votann face (which is supposed to be their faction logo and kinda the center of their whole culture) would have made more sens and gave a more coherent look overall.

derpherp wrote:

I thought that for a bit, but then I saw this picture:

Those chunky shoulder pads are from the OG squat models 100%. The sword and gun is too. The segmented boots. Possibly even the domed head. Also firebats don't have hands, so I dunno what you are on about with gauntlets. The proportions are different too, smaller feet and "hands".

This is reaching so far you might as well be comparing an apple to a lawn mower

 lord_blackfang wrote:
This is reaching so far you might as well be comparing an apple to a lawn mower

But dude, look, it's armor, it have shoulders, a gun and a sword, it's basically the exact same thing!

Having an astronaut/flight suit inspired helmet is ripping off Starcraft 2?

Mate. The big ol' shoulderpads, the overall proportions, the chunkiness of the gauntlets, the almost identical shape of the helmet...

But dude, look, it's armor, it have shoulders, a gun and a sword, it's basically the exact same thing!

To be clear for you guys who don't seem to quite get it 🙄, I used to think they were ripped off wholesale from starcraft, but now looking at the original model I do not think that.

I think they do look a bit like terran marines, but the reason for that is because they are playing on the original design which featured dome helmets and giant pauldrons.

You put a dome helmet and giant pauldrons on any future armour that isn't an egg and its going to look reminiscent of terran marines.


The sword+gun and segmented boots I think makes it clear that the intent was to un-eggify the original exo-squat and imo makes the case pretty solid.

Feel free to continue screeching about it being a wholesale rip off.

don't forget the ranged version

 aracersss wrote:
don't forget the ranged version

Ah yes, literally literal Marauders 1:1, not even slightly exaggerating.

40k and Starcraft, a decades long love story in which they both rip each other off

These look great. My desire to know more has been elevated.

 aracersss wrote:
don't forget the ranged version

That looks like some sort of animal-themed embellishment on the weapon...they seem to be giving them a lot of animal stuff but nothing in the way of Votann-themed decoration. Strange as it's even their faction icon.