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Ok, so different topic (Supercharging Plasma Inceptors) got me thinking.

If you overcharge both plasma weapons on one Inceptor model and the "first" one you roll for gets 1 to hit and gets him killed, does he get to shot with the other one?

As far as I know it should be the case since, all attacks happen simultaneously technically speaking.

(Of course you shouldn't be fast rolling for whole squad as then it is impossible to tell which model got 1s to hit - or use one colour of dice for one model, so you know which one gets killed)

There is nothing in the rules saying that all shooting from a model happens simultaneously. If you think otherwise please provide a rules citation. You can fast roll, but that still doesnt mean that it happens at the same time.

From plasma overchage profile weapons rules:

If any unmodified hit rolls of 1 are made for attacks with this weapon profile, the bearer is destroyed after shooting with this weapon

So it indeed doesn't happen simultaneously? Each Inceptor has to shot first with one overcharged plasma gun and then if he survives, he gets to shot with the other?

That means they have quite high chance of getting only half shots each, unless you overcharge only one gun on each model and shot with normal profile first?

Hmmm that makes them even less viable than most people say.
Also most players I have seen in person or online play them incorrectly then...

Per the BRB page 217 "If a unit shoots with multiple weapons, all attacks made with
weapons that have the same profile must be resolved before resolving attacks with the next."

Please note the "must" in that sentence. Therefore by the RAW if you are firing 2 overcharged weapons at the same target you must make both attacks (It's not optional). Then if one of the weapons kills the attacker you remove it from the board.

But also from Core Rules (shooting):


If you have selected more than one target for your unit to shoot at, you must resolve all the attacks against one target before moving on to the next target. If your unit is shooting more than one ranged weapon at a target, and those weapons have different characteristics profiles, then after you have resolved attacks with one of those weapons you must, if any other weapons with the same characteristics profile are also being shot at that unit, resolve those attacks before resolving any attacks against the target unit with a weapon that has a different characteristics profile.

There is nowhere stated that if model is removed he can't finish his shooting attacks hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

So in RAW like VERY RAW they get to finish shooting all weapons (even if some models get removed during shooting) ???
Anyone?


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Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Per the BRB page 217 "If a unit shoots with multiple weapons, all attacks made with
weapons that have the same profile must be resolved before resolving attacks with the next."

Please note the "must" in that sentence. Therefore by the RAW if you are firing 2 overcharged weapons at the same target you must make both attacks (It's not optional). Then if one of the weapons kills the attacker you remove it from the board.

Oh, ok I found that like 5 min later, so by RAW they can all overcharge and get all shots, not so bad.
Thx

You have permission to fast roll, so just do that every time and the question is not relevant.

 Mage Aramil wrote:
There is nowhere stated that if model is removed he can't finish his shooting attacks hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

So in RAW like VERY RAW they get to finish shooting all weapons (even if some models get removed during shooting) ???
Anyone?

Don’t… don’t do that.

“If a model’s wounds are reduced to 0 or less, it is destroyed and removed from play.” Also from the Core Rules (section on Making Attacks).

You simply don’t get to finish shooting if you’re dead. You’re dead.

 Mage Aramil wrote:
There is nowhere stated that if model is removed he can't finish his shooting attacks hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

So in RAW like VERY RAW they get to finish shooting all weapons (even if some models get removed during shooting) ???Anyone?

Unfortunately you are misreading the rule. You get to finish making attacks with all of the weapons with the same weapon profile not all your weapons.

I remember we got into a right old tiffy with this when a similar question came up about Tankbuster Tankhammers and Dakka Dakka.

The rules aren't especially clear, because yes the model's immediately removed - but eligibility for attacks is checked at the beginning of the sequence. So one could argue you are eligible to make attacks even 'post mortem' as you've already been okayed to shoot and never get asked again.

I think it's best to not think too hard about this as it's just not clear, and instead go with what looks/feels right.
In this case I'd say shooting both guns regardless is clearly right, not only would it be painfully slow otherwise but narratively of course they're blazing away with both guns at the same time.