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So I bought vahl and was just really collecting models I like the look of I don’t really think it’s super competitive but if some one could recommend relics ect or maybe a differnt route to go (I’m not super competitive but do like some cheddar)



++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adepta Sororitas) [98 PL, 2,000pts, 12CP] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Order Convictions: Order: Argent Shroud

+ HQ +

Canoness []: Blessed Blade, Bolt pistol
. Word of the Emperor

Celestine and Geminae Superia []
. 2x Geminae Superia: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Power sword

Morvenn Vahl []: Warlord

+ Troops +

Battle Sister Squad []
. 4x Battle Sister: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Sister Superior
. . Bolt Pistol & Boltgun

Battle Sister Squad []
. 4x Battle Sister: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Sister Superior
. . Bolt Pistol & Boltgun

Sisters Novitiate Squad []
. Novitiate Superior
. . Bolt Pistol and Power Sword: Power sword
. 8x Sister Novitiate (Melee Weapon): 8x Auto Pistol, 8x Frag & Krak grenades, 8x Novitiate Melee Weapons
. Sister Novitiate w/ Sacred Banner: Sacred Banner

+ Elites +

Dogmata []: 3. Psalm of Righteous Smiting

Paragon Warsuits []
. Paragon: 2 Storm Bolters, Multi-melta, Paragon War Blade
. Paragon: 2 Storm Bolters, Multi-melta, Paragon War Blade
. Paragon Superior: 2 Storm Bolters, Multi-melta, Paragon War Blade

+ Fast Attack +

Seraphim Squad []
. 2x Seraphim: 4x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades
. Seraphim Superior: Bolt pistol, Bolt pistol
. Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Ministorum Hand Flamers
. Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Ministorum Hand Flamers

Seraphim Squad []
. 2x Seraphim: 4x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades
. Seraphim Superior: Bolt pistol, Bolt pistol
. Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Ministorum Hand Flamers
. Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Ministorum Hand Flamers

Zephyrim Squad []
. 9x Zephyrim: 9x Bolt pistol, 9x Frag & Krak grenades, 9x Power sword
. Zephyrim Superior: Bolt pistol, Zephyrim Pennant

+ Heavy Support +

Castigator []: Castigator battle cannon

Exorcist Exorcist Missile Launcher

Mortifiers []
. Mortifiers: 2x Heavy bolter, 2x Penitent buzz-blades
. Mortifiers: 2x Heavy bolter, 2x Penitent Flails
. Mortifiers: 2x Heavy bolter, 2x Penitent Flails
. Mortifiers: 2x Heavy bolter, 2x Penitent Flails

++ Total: [98 PL, 12CP, 2,000pts] ++

So some quick things that should help without changing the core of what you're going for:

Argent Shroud really doesn't make much sense for this list. None of your units except the seraphim really benefit from it. Bloody Rose would work a lot better.

As for Relics: With that Canoness you want her to have Blade of Saint Ellynor with the Bloody Rose warlord trait for run and charge.

Always take an Anchorite in a squad of Mortifiers and never go more than 3 (anchorites 3+armor is awesome, going more than 3 makes you vulnerable to attrition losses)

Castigators and Exorcists suck but if you're not playing super competitive, that shouldn't matter.

Doesn’t argent shroud allow my heavy weps on the tanks and mortifiers and suits to move and shoot or am I miss reading this ?

And if thst isn’t the case then I’ll have a look into bloody rose as they seem to give the most bang for the buck

Noted I overlooked the 3+ on the morts

And I thought having some long range threats would be good these days but what would you suggest for tske instead ?

They can do that without penalty anyway they are vehicles

Advancing and shooting doesn't make much difference when you move 8 and fire 36"


Our range isn't very good except a unit of paragons or rets in reserve.

How to compensate is debated and in part based on how you want to play. Myself I advocate infantry heavy with the idea of sticking 25 models on each objective and holding for the win while doing leap of faith and maybe a psychic secondary

Erjak will advocate a more aggressive approach centred on zephyrim which will probably get bigger wins but also more loses

My lists are in this thread

Erjak are in the sob thread

I would strongly consider three repentia squads of 4. They pack a punch are small enough to hide behind terrain and give you a MD when they die

So I read through a few things - this is what I have came up with bloody rose is all round better, the castigor just isn’t going to make its points back - my list is still lacking the troops I know this is due to vahl, Celestine and the war suits but there just to cool not to have


++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adepta Sororitas) [103 PL, 1,998pts, 9CP] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Order Convictions: Order: Bloody Rose

+ Stratagems +

Stratagem: Open the Reliquaries [-1CP]: Additional Relics of the Ecclesiarchy

+ HQ +

Canoness [, -1CP]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Relic: Beneficence, Stratagem: Saint in the Making, Warlord Trait: Blazing Ire
. Word of the Emperor

Celestine and Geminae Superia
. 2x Geminae Superia: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Power sword

Morvenn Vahl []: Warlord

+ Troops +

Battle Sister Squad []
. 4x Battle Sister: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Sister Superior
. . Bolt Pistol & Boltgun

Battle Sister Squad []
. 4x Battle Sister: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Sister Superior
. . Bolt Pistol & Boltgun

Sisters Novitiate Squad []
. Novitiate Superior
. . Bolt Pistol and Boltgun
. 9x Sister Novitiate (Melee Weapon): 9x Auto Pistol, 9x Frag & Krak grenades, 9x Novitiate Melee Weapons

+ Elites +

Dogmata []: 3. Psalm of Righteous Smiting, Relic: Iron Surplice of Saint Istaela, Stratagem: Saint in the Making, Warlord Trait: 6. Pure of Will

Paragon Warsuits []
. Paragon: 2 Storm Bolters, Multi-melta, Paragon War Blade
. Paragon: 2 Storm Bolters, Multi-melta, Paragon War Blade
. Paragon Superior: 2 Storm Bolters, Multi-melta, Paragon War Blade

Sisters Repentia []
. 4x Sisters Repentia: 4x Penitent Eviscerator

Sisters Repentia []
. 4x Sisters Repentia: 4x Penitent Eviscerator

Sisters Repentia []
. 4x Sisters Repentia: 4x Penitent Eviscerator

+ Fast Attack +

Seraphim Squad []
. 2x Seraphim: 4x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades
. Seraphim Superior: Bolt pistol, Bolt pistol
. Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Ministorum Hand Flamers
. Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Ministorum Hand Flamers

Zephyrim Squad []
. 7x Zephyrim: 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Frag & Krak grenades, 7x Power sword
. Zephyrim Superior: Bolt pistol, Zephyrim Pennant

Zephyrim Squad []
. 6x Zephyrim: 6x Bolt pistol, 6x Frag & Krak grenades, 6x Power sword
. Zephyrim Superior: Bolt pistol

+ Heavy Support +

Exorcist [PL, ]: Exorcist Missile Launcher

Mortifiers []
. Mortifiers: 2x Heavy bolter, 2x Penitent Flails
. Mortifiers: Anchorite Sarcophagus, 2x Heavy bolter, 2x Penitent Flails

Mortifiers []
. Mortifiers: 2x Heavy bolter, 2x Penitent Flails
. Mortifiers: Anchorite Sarcophagus, 2x Heavy bolter, 2x Penitent Flails

++ Total: [103 PL, 9CP, 1,998pts] ++

Jakeygordon wrote:
Doesn’t argent shroud allow my heavy weps on the tanks and mortifiers and suits to move and shoot or am I miss reading this ?

And if thst isn’t the case then I’ll have a look into bloody rose as they seem to give the most bang for the buck

Noted I overlooked the 3+ on the morts

And I thought having some long range threats would be good these days but what would you suggest for tske instead ?

Long Range firepower is great, the problem is that Castigators do very little damage for how expensive they are. Vehicles can already move and shoot without penalty as well. If you want more long range threat, Retributors are our best pure shooting unit.

Aye I rewrote I list dropped the castigator it’s like a poor man’s predator just doesn’t seem to do enough.

Jakeygordon wrote:
Aye I rewrote I list dropped the castigator it’s like a poor man’s predator just doesn’t seem to do enough.

It's a lot better than a Predator. It just suffers from the selfdestructive condition known as 'Rhino Chassis/hull'

Lammia wrote:

Jakeygordon wrote:
Aye I rewrote I list dropped the castigator it’s like a poor man’s predator just doesn’t seem to do enough.

It's a lot better than a Predator. It just suffers from the selfdestructive condition known as 'Rhino Chassis/hull'

Also 'd6 shots' and 'flat 3 damage in a miracle dice faction'

I mean it’s a shame cause it’s such a cool kit - but I feel it falls into the rhino were they just don’t have a place at there current points (bring back the 35 point rhino of time gone by)