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The update is available here, same release day as the updated balance slate which added back the knights ability to not suck at 9th Ed missions

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/XTEpZheWFGC2pWI3.pdf

What do people think? Sufficient to say crusher stampede is gone for all for most TO?

Maybe better suited to the discussions occurring in general discussion? There doesn't seem to be an actual rules question here.

I guess the rules question is - what's the "codex now recommended" line supposed to mean? It's open to interpretation

It means, that Crusher Stampede was written for the old codex, and with the new Codex, it's no longer valid.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
I guess the rules question is - what's the "codex now recommended" line supposed to mean? It's open to interpretation

Let's not make this more complicated than it is. Here, they are simply suggesting to use the list presented as a baseline for your games, and that you and your opponent are always free to change things as you wish.

Yes, they could say "these publications are now obsolete" and players could always agree to use it anyway, but that sort of language sets an overly restrictive standard.

Of course, it's obviously just GW trying hard not to invalidate books that are sitting on a shelf in a warehouse, but as a casual gamer I still appreciate the emphasis on giving players the agency to make this their game.

Tournaments should have an easier time about it, too. Instead of making their own list of valid publications, they can just point to this list and say: "use that".

A recommendation is what it it is. You can follow it, or not. Meaning leviathan supplement, and crusher stampede is still legal.

 p5freak wrote:
A recommendation is what it it is. You can follow it, or not. Meaning leviathan supplement, and crusher stampede is still legal.

What do you mean by "legal"?

I mean, I can always choose not to agree to a game if you choose to ignore the developers' suggestions.

Just like legend units are still legal to play in matched play, i can still play with leviathan and crusher stampede. GW didnt say you cant use these anymore.

 p5freak wrote:
Just like legend units are still legal to play in matched play, i can still play with leviathan and crusher stampede. GW didnt say you cant use these anymore.

There is nothing ever stopping a Tournament Organizer or two consenting players from coming up with their own rules framework. The assumption, though, is that at a given tournament or Matched Play pickup game that players would respect the document's recommendations. At least one GT had already put this into effect last week - with this document TOs and players have GW's idea and arguments are prevented.

If a player goes to 40K day at their FLGS expecting to play with the content that has been marked with an X they should not expect that their opponent will be good with that.

TangoTwoBravo wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Just like legend units are still legal to play in matched play, i can still play with leviathan and crusher stampede. GW didnt say you cant use these anymore.

There is nothing ever stopping a Tournament Organizer or two consenting players from coming up with their own rules framework. The assumption, though, is that at a given tournament or Matched Play pickup game that players would respect the document's recommendations. At least one GT had already put this into effect last week - with this document TOs and players have GW's idea and arguments are prevented.

If a player goes to 40K day at their FLGS expecting to play with the content that has been marked with an X they should not expect that their opponent will be good with that.

Depends on the exact content, methinks.

"Hey, I custom-built an Apothecary on Bike back in 6th edition-you mind if run it from Legends?" is going to get a different response than "Hey, I'm proxying an entire Nid army-mind if I used Crusher Stampede?"

 JNAProductions wrote:

TangoTwoBravo wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Just like legend units are still legal to play in matched play, i can still play with leviathan and crusher stampede. GW didnt say you cant use these anymore.

There is nothing ever stopping a Tournament Organizer or two consenting players from coming up with their own rules framework. The assumption, though, is that at a given tournament or Matched Play pickup game that players would respect the document's recommendations. At least one GT had already put this into effect last week - with this document TOs and players have GW's idea and arguments are prevented.

If a player goes to 40K day at their FLGS expecting to play with the content that has been marked with an X they should not expect that their opponent will be good with that.

Depends on the exact content, methinks.

"Hey, I custom-built an Apothecary on Bike back in 6th edition-you mind if run it from Legends?" is going to get a different response than "Hey, I'm proxying an entire Nid army-mind if I used Crusher Stampede?"

Agreed - rule of cool will tend to smooth things over. Still, I would ask my opponent if he was OK with me using a Legends model and I would be prepared for them to be hesitant/say no. I wouldn't bring Legends to a pick-up game with a player where it might be our first game.

 JNAProductions wrote:

TangoTwoBravo wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Just like legend units are still legal to play in matched play, i can still play with leviathan and crusher stampede. GW didnt say you cant use these anymore.

There is nothing ever stopping a Tournament Organizer or two consenting players from coming up with their own rules framework. The assumption, though, is that at a given tournament or Matched Play pickup game that players would respect the document's recommendations. At least one GT had already put this into effect last week - with this document TOs and players have GW's idea and arguments are prevented.

If a player goes to 40K day at their FLGS expecting to play with the content that has been marked with an X they should not expect that their opponent will be good with that.

Depends on the exact content, methinks.

"Hey, I custom-built an Apothecary on Bike back in 6th edition-you mind if run it from Legends?" is going to get a different response than "Hey, I'm proxying an entire Nid army-mind if I used Crusher Stampede?"

No, I don't mind if you use your 8e Nid codex & it's expansion.
What's that? You want to use the best parts of your 8e content + the best parts of your new 9e stuff?
Lol, no.