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Vintage decks cost around 6500$ on avarge. The cheapest ones run on 3000-3500 and the most efficient at around 10000$. I mean not saying it is not fun to play someone go through their entire deck. But it is a one in a lifetime expiriance. Being time walked on a regular basis and then finding out that the deck costs more then your moms car, is probably not a good way to learn stuff.

It would be like expecting that every plastic model in a game of w40k is weighted down with a golden rubel.

ccs wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

- It is possible (but not guaranteed) that your army is still playable after returning to the game after five or more years. This will absolutely not be true for any of your MtG decks.

For someone complaining about others getting the facts wrong.....

You don't seem to know that MtG has more formats now days than ever before.
I've bought 1 new card in the past 10 years - because I liked the art.
A few weeks ago? I was talked into playing a few games with some of the kids at the local shop.
The newest cards in any of my decks were added when Coldsnap was the new set.
We picked some vintage/legacy/eternal format that my decks fit (I don't recall it's name) & played a few games. All 3 of my decks still worked fine & the kids got some xp playing something other than draft/Commander + got to see some stuff almost as old as a few of them

Considering your track record of what you consider to be "fine" for 40k armies, the cards would have to be literally on fire, radioactive and smell of feces for you to consider them to be "not fine".

If your opponents actually bother to update their decks and you aren't sitting on a vintage deck worth several thousands of dollars, power creep will make sure that your decks are hot garbage within a few years.

And before you get all condescending about your grand knowledge about formats - eternal is not a format, and playing a random deck that is legal for vintage or legacy is not the same as actually playing a vintage or legacy game. If they had brought actual legacy or vintage decks, you would have not stood a chance. If you would have been forced to play a format they were prepared for, you would not have stood a chance.

Essentially those "kids" were being nice to you and let gramps win with his gakky worthless old cards. You just didn't realize and are now boasting about it.


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Karol wrote:
Vintage decks cost around 6500$ on avarge. The cheapest ones run on 3000-3500 and the most efficient at around 10000$. I mean not saying it is not fun to play someone go through their entire deck. But it is a one in a lifetime expiriance. Being time walked on a regular basis and then finding out that the deck costs more then your moms car, is probably not a good way to learn stuff.

It would be like expecting that every plastic model in a game of w40k is weighted down with a golden rubel.

Vintage is not a format new players ever play, it's a rather exclusive format for people with a lot of money and/or old cards. The 40k equivalent would be the games the titan owners club plays.
In my experience the most common casual constructed formats are commander, pauper or just plain 60 card casual.

The thing with Magic the Gathering is that its so insanely variable in power based on deck build - even more so the more blocks you add (so going from the limited format to the unlimited your pool of potential options and power grows vastly).

This also comes down to the local play group. They could be anything from the classic setup of building decks from cards they buy at a decent but not insane rate so thing like rare cards might appear a few times but unlikely to have multiple sets of 4.

All the way to people who research decks online and buy the specific cards they need to build a super powered combo deck .



Thus a huge part depends on that attitude, skill and style of playing that others around you are playing. Far more so, I would say, than Warhammer and other similar wargames. Which isn't saying that there isn't skill in army building and playing; just that MTG is turned up to 20 (forget 11!) in the difference in power and potential.

It's one reason I got into it with a bunch of people at uni who were all around the same level of beginner and player; but have never really manged to get into it again since because the local clubs have different attitudes and skill levels and such.

 Jidmah wrote:


Vintage is not a format new players ever play, it's a rather exclusive format for people with a lot of money and/or old cards. The 40k equivalent would be the games the titan owners club plays.
In my experience the most common casual constructed formats are commander, pauper or just plain 60 card casual.

I know that, I don't think I ever saw real vintage stuff, only reprints from China for people that like to play the format. I am just saying that dropping with power 9 at the store for a casual game with the new boys, is way beyond taking the most tier 1 w40k vs 2-3 dudes who just have a patrol box.

I always liked modern best, because the cards were the cheapest to get and with so many people playing no one had time to check, if someone else deck was 100% WotC official. A bit like with w40k, no one checks if the sm or eldar vehicles from FW are actualy real FW.

ccs wrote:
A few weeks ago? I was talked into playing a few games with some of the kids at the local shop.
The newest cards in any of my decks were added when Coldsnap was the new set.
We picked some vintage/legacy/eternal format that my decks fit (I don't recall it's name) & played a few games. All 3 of my decks still worked fine & the kids got some xp playing something other than draft/Commander + got to see some stuff almost as old as a few of them

I'm glad that worked for you and you had fun, but that kind of thing only works in super casual environments where you're playing vintage/legacy in name only with extremely low-power decks and nobody is even thinking about the meta. Once the financial arms race starts those eternal formats rapidly become inaccessible to all but the wealthiest players, as you either drop thousands of dollars on a deck or don't bother playing because you have no hope of winning. The rotating formats are the only real option for most players, as while your deck goes in the trash every few months the cost to buy it is at least only a few hundred dollars.

beast_gts wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Nah, the stores that succeed are the ones that diversify, you can't survive selling only 40k/mtg/boardgames/comics, you gotta sell all of them

And offer gaming space, and food & drink, and...

I wouldn't agree. Virtually every shop I have encountered is just that a shop. Whether it is second hand like Norfolk Boardgames, Wargames and Collectables, discount like HLS Models or just always there like Orcs Nest. It might be a UK vs US thing, but here normally clubs were where I and those I know would play. One of the things that set GW stores apart was the oddity of routinely offering space to paint and play.

And that's one of the problems with running a store - there isn't a "one-size fits all" solution. You need to tailor your services to the existing community (if there is on) and then grow your community. IMHO it's why the chains / franchises like Geek Retreat often don't work out.