p5freak wrote:
Yes, thats what the rules say. Those rules are a disaster, and need a rework, or open topped should be removed completely. Another ridiculous example is a unit with heavy weapons advancing and boarding a remained stationary transport. They can shoot their heavy weapons, because they count as remained stationary.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Yes, thats what the rules say. Those rules are a disaster, and need a rework, or open topped should be removed completely. Another ridiculous example is a unit with heavy weapons advancing and boarding a remained stationary transport. They can shoot their heavy weapons, because they count as remained stationary.

Except they also advanced, so yea...

You have to take all rules into account.

Hecaton wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Yes, thats what the rules say. Those rules are a disaster, and need a rework, or open topped should be removed completely. Another ridiculous example is a unit with heavy weapons advancing and boarding a remained stationary transport. They can shoot their heavy weapons, because they count as remained stationary.

Except they also advanced, so yea...

You have to take all rules into account.

There's another part that says any rule or effect that applied to them when they weren't in the transport doesn't count when they're inside it.

Page 363, Rare Rules
Add the following:
Shooting Whilst Embarked on a Transport
Some rules, such as Open-topped, enable units to shoot and make ranged attacks even while embarked within a Transport model. Each time such an embarked unit is selected to shoot, the following rules apply to it:
1. Stratagems cannot be used on that unit in order to affect its attacks, and you cannot use the Command Re-roll Stratagem to affect any dice rolls made for its models’ ranged attacks.
2. Measure distances and draw line of sight from any point on the Transport model when models in that unit make the ranged attacks.
3. If the Transport model made a Normal Move, Advanced, Fell Back or Remained Stationary this turn, embarked units are considered to have done the same when they make ranged attacks.
4. While the Transport model is within Engagement Range of any enemy units, unless the ability that the Transport model has that allows its passengers to shoot whilst embarked states otherwise, then models in embarked units cannot make ranged attacks, except with Pistols.
5. Unless specifically stated otherwise, the embarked unit is
not affected by the abilities (including aura abilities) of any other unit, even if that unit is also embarked within the same Transport model.
6. If the unit was under the effects of a rule when it embarked on the Transport model (such as rules bestowed on it during the Command phase, by a psychic power or a Stratagem etc.) those rules do not apply to that unit whilst it is embarked.
7. Any abilities (including Detachment abilities) that models in an embarked unit have, or that their weapons have, continue to apply when they make ranged attacks.
8. If a restriction applies to the Transport model, that same restriction applies to units embarked within it. For example, if the Transport model is not eligible to shoot with because it has Advanced or Fallen Back this turn, its passengers are not eligible to shoot with.
9. If a Transport model is under the effects of an ability which would apply a modifier to a hit roll, wound roll or damage roll when making a ranged attack, the same modifier applies each time an embarked model makes a ranged attack.

 DeathReaper wrote:
Except they also advanced, so yea...

You have to take all rules into account.

 p5freak wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
Except they also advanced, so yea...

You have to take all rules into account.

Thats very true. You should check rule no. 3. Which says that, if the transport remained stationary, the now embarked unit also counts as remained stationary, when they make ranged attacks.

 p5freak wrote:
The fact that they count as remained stationary, when they embark the transport which remained stationary.

They dont count as advanced anymore.

Page 363, Rare Rules
Add the following:
Rules That Count As Remaining Stationary
Some rules allow a unit to count as having Remained Stationary, or count as if it had not moved, even if that unit has moved during its Movement phase. The following rules apply to these type of rules:
1. Such rules, if they apply in the Shooting phase, mean that a unit is eligible to shoot even if it has Advanced or Fallen Back this turn.
2. Such rules, if they apply in the Shooting phase, mean that Infantry models do not suffer the penalty to hit rolls incurred for firing Heavy weapons in the same turn that their unit
has moved.
3. Such rules, if they apply in the Shooting phase, mean that models do not suffer the penalty to hit rolls incurred for firing Assault weapons in the same turn that their unit has Advanced.
4. Such rules, if they apply in the Charge phase, mean that the unit is eligible to declare a charge even if it has Advanced or Fallen Back this turn.
5. Such rules mean that any other rules (abilities, Stratagems etc.) that are used or triggered when a unit Remains Stationary (e.g. Grinding Advance) can be used/are triggered.
6. Even if a Reinforcement unit is subject to such a rule, that rule has no effect on that unit in the turn they are set up on the battlefield. This means Reinforcement units always count as having moved (i.e. they never count as having Remained Stationary). Remember that this also includes Repositioned and Replacement units (pg 363).
7. Even if a Transport model is subject to such a rule, embarked models still cannot disembark from that Transport during the Movement phase if that Transport has already moved, unless that Transport (or the models embarked within it) have a rule that explicitly allows them to disembark after the Transport has moved (but if a unit does so, it cannot then charge during the same turn).
8. If a unit has disembarked from a Transport model, rules which allow that unit to be treated as though it has Remained Stationary have no effect.
9. Even if a unit is subject to such a rule, it cannot start an action if it has Advanced or Fallen Back this turn, and any action that it is currently performing but has yet to complete will still fail if that unit makes a Normal Move, Advances, Falls Back, performs a Heroic Intervention or declares a charge.

 DeathReaper wrote:
Is that an old FAQ?

 p5freak wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
Is that an old FAQ?

Yes, but it hasnt been updated.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
Is that an old FAQ?

Yes, but it hasnt been updated.

Weird, I am not seeing that one on the site.