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I don’t mind the more standard size, since easy to use where I want it.

I wonder if all the feedback on the assassin was, cool mini, basically useless.

But why even tease the alt head, just show. So annoying.

I’d have to see the alt head for the vampire. Despite technically having a vampire army, I’m leaning for the karskin.

Was the annual sub always 12 months for the price of 9? I vaguely recall it being 2 months free. If so that at least partially makes up for the loss of the voucher. 20% off crap I don’t want is nowhere near the same as free cash towards stuff I was going to buy anyway.

 ImAGeek wrote:
The vampire is a pretty cool model, but am I the only one that’s a little annoyed that these have gone from fairly large models/a small group of models to normal 28mm character models in the space of like 2 years? I know models like these would still sell for like half the subscription cost but compared to the big scenic base on the vindicare from the first round and the sorcerer and familiars from last year they just feel (well, because they are) more insubstantial.

Sorcerer was nice but vindicare isn"t usable on gaming board so not missing that.

At least i'm not buying models just to sit on shelf.

I seem to remember there was mention earlier that GW increased the monthly price while keeping the annual one the same. But yes, previously it was two months free over subscribing monthly.

 Nevelon wrote:
I’d have to see the alt head for the vampire. Despite technically having a vampire army, I’m leaning for the karskin.

Was the annual sub always 12 months for the price of 9? I vaguely recall it being 2 months free. If so that at least partially makes up for the loss of the voucher. 20% off crap I don’t want is nowhere near the same as free cash towards stuff I was going to buy anyway.

Think it's due to monthly going up while yearly stays same.

 Nevelon wrote:
I’d have to see the alt head for the vampire. Despite technically having a vampire army, I’m leaning for the karskin.

Was the annual sub always 12 months for the price of 9? I vaguely recall it being 2 months free. If so that at least partially makes up for the loss of the voucher. 20% off crap I don’t want is nowhere near the same as free cash towards stuff I was going to buy anyway.

They bumped up the price of the monthly sub but left the annual the same so yes you now get 12 months for the cost of 9 but only because of the price change. The annual sub is less value without the voucher 20% off merch is probably not much use to most.

Tonhel wrote:
It seems the coupon is gone. Instead we got a 20% discount on the merchandise store. That's a bad exchange. The coupon was much better. I couldn't care less for the merchandise.

The only thing they ever made that wasn't just a drop shipped plastering of a more of less public image onto some generic product was the Nurgling plush (The giant ones that showed up as decoration in a few stores, particularly in Japan would have been a good seller too) and even that almost immediately got a recall order. GW seem gunshy now on doing something like that again. You can't even buy the JoyToy or MacFarlane stuff through that store.

Having said that, I don't blame GW for not having anything worth buying on their merch store. What will really be the final nail in the coffin of GW is when they grow too big as an organisation, (If we haven't reached that point already) having their merch store being a lightly-manned drop shipping enterprise is probably for the best. I do blame them for thinking it's a value proposition (Particularly for those who haven't subbed to WH+) to give a 20% discount for stuff that nobody really wants.

The W+ price has never been worth it if you just wanted one part of it. The fact they it collected a half dozen things under one umbrella at a more-or-less reasonable price made it worth it. Chipping away at those parts diminishes the whole package.

Even dropping the voucher I’m still in. But not as easy a call as it was in prior years.

Models are up on webstore. Here is her alt head.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/warhammer-plus-karlina-von-carstein-year3-2023



And from the looks of the sprue, the Kasrkin has arms with a normal flat connection, can be swapped or posed up and down like normal.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/warhammer-plus-astra-militarum-unbroken-year3-2023

Oh, so the helmet wings are hollow. Now the shape of it makes sense.

But that face. She looks like she just saw herself in the mirror.

NightReconnaissance wrote:
Models are up on webstore. Here is her alt head.

Spoiler:

I wasn't a fan of the helmet and was hoping for an alt head.

I now regret that hope.

The leader of the crimson court was the peak of vampire design, this feels weak in comparison. Not a huge fan of the karskin either, seems too similar to the old metal sergeant, which I already have. I bet you could make a cool Jarren Kell mini from it though

Not a fan of the alt head.

While I don’t play guard, if I ever decide to pit together an Inq/RT retinue a vet with a hotshot will slot in nicely.

Love the vampire myself. Alt head have the same vibe as Kritza, which I really like!

Was never subbed to WH+, and this would still not sway me over for the price they charge, not that I could now anyway with it banned in Canada

James12345 wrote:
The leader of the crimson court was the peak of vampire design, this feels weak in comparison. Not a huge fan of the karskin either, seems too similar to the old metal sergeant, which I already have. I bet you could make a cool Jarren Kell mini from it though

It's a shame the model is a one per WH+ yearly customer for 23/24 because if it was normally available like other collector models it'd be excellent conversion fodder with his arms being normal Kasrkin arms and not having the shoulders or parts of the arms molded into the body.

I wonder how many of these models were originally envisioned to be normally available before being sent to WH+. GW certainly does occasionally hang on to finished model designs for years before releasing them.

 DaveC wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
I’d have to see the alt head for the vampire. Despite technically having a vampire army, I’m leaning for the karskin.

Was the annual sub always 12 months for the price of 9? I vaguely recall it being 2 months free. If so that at least partially makes up for the loss of the voucher. 20% off crap I don’t want is nowhere near the same as free cash towards stuff I was going to buy anyway.

They bumped up the price of the monthly sub but left the annual the same so yes you now get 12 months for the cost of 9 but only because of the price change. The annual sub is less value without the voucher 20% off merch is probably not much use to most.

I didnt realise the price increase was only for us monthly subbers, that is a piss take and i will not be continuing my sub after Sept 9th when im eligible for my "free" year 2 mini. I was only subbing for the animation, but thats been pretty non existent since launching as a streaming service 2 years ago!

Say hello to Warhammer+'s latest ex-subscriber. I was cool with the price so far because I liked the miniatures and the voucher. With the latter gone and the former not to my liking this year, let's see this time next year if GW can bait me back with better miniatures.

I'm still interested in the animations, but subscribing for a month if I feel like watching stuff is a far better proposition than keeping the annual subscription up.

Oh my god. Her big hairdo is styled so it fits perfectly into her helmet.

Disappointed with the unhelmeted head. We already have a dozen vampire heads with "hair that defies gravity", from the Crimson Court, the Blood Knights, and I think even the Warcry has a few heads like that. I was hoping it would be more like what the Coven Throne ladies have. Oh well, the helmets still cool

 Geifer wrote:
Say hello to Warhammer+'s latest ex-subscriber. I was cool with the price so far because I liked the miniatures and the voucher. With the latter gone and the former not to my liking this year, let's see this time next year if GW can bait me back with better miniatures.

I'm still interested in the animations, but subscribing for a month if I feel like watching stuff is a far better proposition than keeping the annual subscription up.

Pretty much my sentiments. The increasingly sparse animations (of varying quality) aren't enough of a selling point for me. I don't play either of the main games so the app access is redundant (I appreciate they'll undoubtedly have value for those that do engage actively with AoS & 40k). The Vault...exists, complete with terrible UI and no rules. The Voucher was a big selling point but that's gone (the 20% merch discount is basically a non-factor). The Battle Reports and Tutorials are things I can generally get better-produced versions of for free elsewhere. So it ultimately comes down to the miniatures and this pair are very missable for me.

Kasrkin is fine, but doesn't have that casual resting pose I liked about the original, he's moreso propped up on a... sigh, tactical rock, and observing rather than than a soldier at-ease resting on his sword. I'll definitely need to see it done in a shading-based style than a highlight-based style before I give a final verdict though.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
Kasrkin is fine, but doesn't have that casual resting pose I liked about the original, he's moreso propped up on a... sigh, tactical rock, and observing rather than than a soldier at-ease resting on his sword. I'll definitely need to see it done in a shading-based style than a highlight-based style before I give a final verdict though.

I also like the sword pose on the artwork more. Funny how in the article they even say "the miniature faithfully depicts details from a classic piece of Warhammer artwork, including the curved power sabre" but then its the biggest change

 Geifer wrote:
Say hello to Warhammer+'s latest ex-subscriber. I was cool with the price so far because I liked the miniatures and the voucher. With the latter gone and the former not to my liking this year, let's see this time next year if GW can bait me back with better miniatures.

I'm still interested in the animations, but subscribing for a month if I feel like watching stuff is a far better proposition than keeping the annual subscription up.

I suspect it's intentional timing, but some people might hold on for the 40k app on the chance that the new nids rules will be included in the subscription, given the new book is going out to people and logically the GW instructions on buying/redeeming it will be the week after a lot of people will renew.

 Matrindur wrote:

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
Kasrkin is fine, but doesn't have that casual resting pose I liked about the original, he's moreso propped up on a... sigh, tactical rock, and observing rather than than a soldier at-ease resting on his sword. I'll definitely need to see it done in a shading-based style than a highlight-based style before I give a final verdict though.

I also like the sword pose on the artwork more. Funny how in the article they even say "the miniature faithfully depicts details from a classic piece of Warhammer artwork, including the curved power sabre" but then its the biggest change

I'm a big fan of Kopinski's art, but it would have looked too similar to the Commissar pose they dropped this year if they just 1:1'd it, I feel.

It says a lot about how iconic the art was that even with the changes? It still catches the feel of the art.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Oh my god. Her big hairdo is styled so it fits perfectly into her helmet.

Disappointed with the unhelmeted head. We already have a dozen vampire heads with "hair that defies gravity", from the Crimson Court, the Blood Knights, and I think even the Warcry has a few heads like that. I was hoping it would be more like what the Coven Throne ladies have. Oh well, the helmets still cool

I was hoping for a beehive like the vampire from the Coven Throne, too, before we got confirmation what her hair actually looks like.

GW would have been better off with a high society vampire in a super fancy dress instead of yet another armored vampire, in my opinion. Well, if they absolutely have to do another vampire to begin with. Not like we don't have a ton of them already.

Dudeface wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Say hello to Warhammer+'s latest ex-subscriber. I was cool with the price so far because I liked the miniatures and the voucher. With the latter gone and the former not to my liking this year, let's see this time next year if GW can bait me back with better miniatures.

I'm still interested in the animations, but subscribing for a month if I feel like watching stuff is a far better proposition than keeping the annual subscription up.

I suspect it's intentional timing, but some people might hold on for the 40k app on the chance that the new nids rules will be included in the subscription, given the new book is going out to people and logically the GW instructions on buying/redeeming it will be the week after a lot of people will renew.

It sure seems like this year GW does everything to tell people what they're actually buying as late as humanly possible.

GW would have been better off with a high society vampire in a super fancy dress instead of yet another armored vampire, in my opinion. Well, if they absolutely have to do another vampire to begin with. Not like we don't have a ton of them already.

This is definitely something people love and which is of interest to a wide audience in terms of kitbashes and conversions, particularly for 40k Inquisition and even chaos. But is there any evidence that GW doesn't also consider this "Old World" and thus forbidden for new miniatures. Similar to all the other factions losing big chunks of their visual identities to make them new distinct AoS factions. Even in the Mordheim-esque world of Cursed City they seemed to veer away from that particular aesthetic for their aristocratic vampires. Ruff collars and Marie Antoinette hair is out in plastic it seems. Still see glimpses of it in Forge World Necromunda releases though.

I've gone for the 40k model both years so far but this time I'm torn, they're both great. Might end up getting both

NightReconnaissance wrote:

GW would have been better off with a high society vampire in a super fancy dress instead of yet another armored vampire, in my opinion. Well, if they absolutely have to do another vampire to begin with. Not like we don't have a ton of them already.

This is definitely something people love and which is of interest to a wide audience in terms of kitbashes and conversions, particularly for 40k Inquisition and even chaos. But is there any evidence that GW doesn't also consider this "Old World" and thus forbidden for new miniatures. Similar to all the other factions losing big chunks of their visual identities to make them new distinct AoS factions. Even in the Mordheim-esque world of Cursed City they seemed to veer away from that particular aesthetic for their aristocratic vampires. Ruff collars and Marie Antoinette hair is out in plastic it seems. Still see glimpses of it in Forge World Necromunda releases though.

We'll have to see how much GW wants to keep AoS and Old World apart, but it sure would be easier if AoS wasn't deliberately built on the corpse of Warhammer Fantasy and everyone and their dog survived the literal end of the world.

This vampire is a von Carstein. I expect she's Mannfred's fault and would follow a similar visual design, so armored for war in bat armor as has been the von Carstein thing since their remake in, what was it, 7th ed Fantasy? As is, I guess she fits right in. That doesn't preclude GW from making a vampire scion of Neferata. That may not necessarily lead to a baroque or renaissance dress or whatever Empire fashion is based on, but instead something with a hint of an undead Egyptian theme. I'm sure you could do something fancy with it and it should definitely fit into AoS.

Plus, the AoS 2nd ed rulebook had artwork of people from different realms. GW already established some examples for what civilized society looks like and which they could build on. They'd just have to sit down and do something with that foundation. I'm sure they could come up with a look that fits the vibes of the Mortal Realms without treading on the toes of any Old World designs.

James12345 wrote:
The leader of the crimson court was the peak of vampire design, this feels weak in comparison. Not a huge fan of the karskin either, seems too similar to the old metal sergeant, which I already have. I bet you could make a cool Jarren Kell mini from it though

The Crimson Court is peak GW frustration.

Absolutely phenomial sculpts rendered useless by the insane scale creep. They are basically 8 ft tall.

Dudeface wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Say hello to Warhammer+'s latest ex-subscriber. I was cool with the price so far because I liked the miniatures and the voucher. With the latter gone and the former not to my liking this year, let's see this time next year if GW can bait me back with better miniatures.

I'm still interested in the animations, but subscribing for a month if I feel like watching stuff is a far better proposition than keeping the annual subscription up.

I suspect it's intentional timing, but some people might hold on for the 40k app on the chance that the new nids rules will be included in the subscription, given the new book is going out to people and logically the GW instructions on buying/redeeming it will be the week after a lot of people will renew.

If they wait despite already known not to be so their fault.

Gw can't do everything on assumption somebody can't read.

The vampire's heads are indeed awful. However, since she's wearing clearly very dark elf-y armour, she's going to need a headswap to fit into her ideal faction anyway!