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With yet more base resizing in the new Cadians (command squads and Kasrkin on bigger bases, heavy weapons on smaller) how about a simple rule change?

Ranges are measured from the center of the base of a model, or the center of a model/vehicle if there is no base.

Assault happens if within 2" of the center.

I would much prefer this system. I have so many old models that I just don't want to go through the arduous task of rebasing.

The problem with this is that there would be haggling over what counts as the 'center' for some models, especially some of the larger and more asymmetrical models. Also, there would need to be a lot of guesswork if the model is fully obscuring the center, as it would be difficult to get a fully accurate measurement. The current rules leave no such ambiguity.

Another proposed rule

I ain't rebasing $%^+

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 ArcaneHorror wrote:
The problem with this is that there would be haggling over what counts as the 'center' for some models, especially some of the larger and more asymmetrical models. Also, there would need to be a lot of guesswork if the model is fully obscuring the center, as it would be difficult to get a fully accurate measurement. The current rules leave no such ambiguity.

If we were doing rocket science yeah that would be an issue.

For most bases I'd just draw an X in my head. If there's real disagreement just designate a point and use it consistently.

With yet more base resizing in the new Cadians (command squads and Kasrkin on bigger bases, heavy weapons on smaller) how about a simple rule change?

Why do you think I'll stop caring about your bases being the wrong size because we measure from the middle of the base instead of the edge of the base? I am not saying you should care what I a guy on the internet thinks, I'm asking because I assume you would want to play with someone in the real world with similar opinions as my own. If you want to play competitively and still use your old models you can use them as Veterans. I don't think GW should be creating incentives for people to get old miniatures to get superior base sizes. I also think changing base sizes on a whim is a git move by GW, but I understand if GW are putting aesthetics before the appreciation of customer loyalty. If you are playing casually (without oops meta netlist teehee "accidents") then it doesn't matter.

Assault happens if within 2" of the center.

That would prevent you from going into melee with Monoliths. How about getting within ½" to fight in two ranks? I'd guess you'd have to define these distances for every single base size and it wouldn't work for Knight/Aircraft bases. Wouldn't it be easier to just imagine the bases being slightly larger, spread out in a looser formation and add 3 mm to every measurement to and from the unit assuming it's 28mm instead of 25 mm. With HWT as long as you're not spreading out the max 2" between each one I don't think you'll gain an advantage, so keep them within 1,5" of each other and you're not gaining an advantage.

I vastly prefer measuring center to center since you never have to worry about base sizes or running into a modeling for advantage issue.

 vict0988 wrote:

Assault happens if within 2" of the center.

That would prevent you from going into melee with Monoliths. How about getting within ½" to fight in two ranks? I'd guess you'd have to define these distances for every single base size and it wouldn't work for Knight/Aircraft bases. Wouldn't it be easier to just imagine the bases being slightly larger, spread out in a looser formation and add 3 mm to every measurement to and from the unit assuming it's 28mm instead of 25 mm. With HWT as long as you're not spreading out the max 2" between each one I don't think you'll gain an advantage, so keep them within 1,5" of each other and you're not gaining an advantage.

Yeah the range for unit coherency and melee would probably have be different for different models. Like Assault if within 2" of center for Infantry, 3" for monsterous creatures, 4" for tanks etc.

But I think centers to centers would be a lot more practical than base to base.

I'd think it'd be the opposite of practical since it's easier to see whether you reach the base than the middle of the base since there is a model in the middle of the base, where legs might make it impossible to measure. I've never played a game with those rules, I had negative experiences with the old vehicle facings the way GW wrote the rules, I don't appreciate rules that need to be argued or interpreted, I prefer apparent rules clarity.

Do you have a favourite game where measuring from the middle works well?

no, just no, you will get damaged models all over the place when retracting tape, just ignore GW's base change rules, they have also said models go on the bases they come with originally; so if you have the old HWT put on 60mm as normal, if the new Cadian HWT then on 50mm. Then there are the oval round bases, people will turn to make model advantages during game.

For the reasons pointed out by others, this sounds kind of clunky and awkward to me. Models are typically occupying the space over the center making it harder to measure. Finding the center of "egg-shaped" bases is a volume math problem I don't want to solve.

Also, only being in melee if you're within 2" of the center could potentially lead to situations where my my imperial knight can melee you but you can't melee him because his base extends more than 2" from the center. IIRC, the first version of SIgmar had a similar issue because you had to be within a certain distance of the model rather than the model's base.

Honestly, base size changes don't generally create massive advantages/disadvantages. as long as you're not like, trying to put an aura buff character on a flyer base or something.