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 Overread wrote:
EDIt - oh there's more shown here https://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Wood_Elves_%28WFB%29
Mage on eagle would be neat¬!

...are you meaning the Warhawk Mage (who does appear to be coming back), or is there a Mage on Eagle that I can't spot on that listing?

I might have missed it/mixed it up

On the topic of a MTO for Wood Elves, wasn't there a WarComm teaser about a really old set of models that included various animals?

(Pardon me if it's been discussed in the last few pages and I just didn't see it.)

The Asrai Beast Keepers, under the "Returning Metal Wood Elf Units" section here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wy2pxyu4/sunday-preview-sorcerous-space-marines-and-forest-sentinels/

Vorian wrote:
The Asrai Beast Keepers, under the "Returning Metal Wood Elf Units" section here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wy2pxyu4/sunday-preview-sorcerous-space-marines-and-forest-sentinels/

Me: Carefully re-read that preview twice before I posted my question, in case the minis were mentioned or pictured there.

Also me: Completely failed to see the minis clearly mentioned and pictured there.

In my defence I think the arrow to scroll through the last WE picture wasn't working when I looked at it the other day ...

Anyway, thanks!

Zenithfleet wrote:

Vorian wrote:
The Asrai Beast Keepers, under the "Returning Metal Wood Elf Units" section here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wy2pxyu4/sunday-preview-sorcerous-space-marines-and-forest-sentinels/

Me: Carefully re-read that preview twice before I posted my question, in case the minis were mentioned or pictured there.

Also me: Completely failed to see the minis clearly mentioned and pictured there.

In my defence I think the arrow to scroll through the last WE picture wasn't working when I looked at it the other day ...

Anyway, thanks!

To be fair, it’s very on-brand for Wood Elves to be good at hiding.

 Nevelon wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:

Vorian wrote:
The Asrai Beast Keepers, under the "Returning Metal Wood Elf Units" section here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wy2pxyu4/sunday-preview-sorcerous-space-marines-and-forest-sentinels/

Me: Carefully re-read that preview twice before I posted my question, in case the minis were mentioned or pictured there.

Also me: Completely failed to see the minis clearly mentioned and pictured there.

In my defence I think the arrow to scroll through the last WE picture wasn't working when I looked at it the other day ...

Anyway, thanks!

To be fair, it’s very on-brand for Wood Elves to be good at hiding.

I had a 40K game where I hid my Eldar Rangers so well, I forgot about them the whole game and only noticed when I was packing back up.

 SgtEeveell wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:

Vorian wrote:
The Asrai Beast Keepers, under the "Returning Metal Wood Elf Units" section here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wy2pxyu4/sunday-preview-sorcerous-space-marines-and-forest-sentinels/

Me: Carefully re-read that preview twice before I posted my question, in case the minis were mentioned or pictured there.

Also me: Completely failed to see the minis clearly mentioned and pictured there.

In my defence I think the arrow to scroll through the last WE picture wasn't working when I looked at it the other day ...

Anyway, thanks!

To be fair, it’s very on-brand for Wood Elves to be good at hiding.

I had a 40K game where I hid my Eldar Rangers so well, I forgot about them the whole game and only noticed when I was packing back up.

At the shop a few months back we found a Vindicare Assassin who'd gotten left behind. Poor thing had been waiting patiently for 2 weeks to get a good shot off.
(we know it was 2 weeks because we knew who's mini it was & when they'd last played. )
The funniest thing though is that we know there'd been several games played on that table in-between!

ccs wrote:

 SgtEeveell wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:

Vorian wrote:
The Asrai Beast Keepers, under the "Returning Metal Wood Elf Units" section here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wy2pxyu4/sunday-preview-sorcerous-space-marines-and-forest-sentinels/

Me: Carefully re-read that preview twice before I posted my question, in case the minis were mentioned or pictured there.

Also me: Completely failed to see the minis clearly mentioned and pictured there.

In my defence I think the arrow to scroll through the last WE picture wasn't working when I looked at it the other day ...

Anyway, thanks!

To be fair, it’s very on-brand for Wood Elves to be good at hiding.

I had a 40K game where I hid my Eldar Rangers so well, I forgot about them the whole game and only noticed when I was packing back up.

At the shop a few months back we found a Vindicare Assassin who'd gotten left behind. Poor thing had been waiting patiently for 2 weeks to get a good shot off.
(we know it was 2 weeks because we knew who's mini it was & when they'd last played. )
The funniest thing though is that we know there'd been several games played on that table in-between!

I made a Mantis warrior space marine for a painting competition here years ago. set him up on the game board in the basement. Got sidetracked, and couldn't find him for months. The competition ended...as did 2 others before I found him again. Sneaky Renegades

Wood elf arcane journal rules read through with the guys at square based

https://youtu.be/Xq2nUeuQzHc?si=39wb_dCu9PGbLVzJ

I'm listening to it now.

I saw an ebay listing for the below models but don't recall seeing them in the preview article, so maybe indicitave of a second pre-order wave?

 Erynor wrote:
I saw an ebay listing for the below models but don't recall seeing them in the preview article, so maybe indicitave of a second pre-order wave?

Most likely MTO, as of tomorrow the entire range will be up for pre-orders. They aren't splitting the release into waves this time it seems.

Sathrut wrote:

 Erynor wrote:
I saw an ebay listing for the below models but don't recall seeing them in the preview article, so maybe indicitave of a second pre-order wave?

Most likely MTO, as of tomorrow the entire range will be up for pre-orders. They aren't splitting the release into waves this time it seems.

The MTOs don't get photos on their blisters do they? At least none of mine have.

 The Phazer wrote:
The MTOs don't get photos on their blisters do they? At least none of mine have.

Both my Liche Priests and Dwarf Mountain Lords MTO have photos on their blisters.

Not my photo, but these are from the Bretonnia MTO last year:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ozijmoha/old-world-almanack-the-awakening-of-the-wood-elves/

We’ll find out more about all that in due course, both in Arcane Journal: Grand Cathay and in the sequence of books that follow it. We will continue to jump around the Old World, telling the stories of Westerland and elsewhere, moving back and forward over a period of around a decade. Suffice to say, there’s plenty more to come.

This bit should put to rest the notion that the Great War Against Chaos will be covered anytime soon. I assume the reference to a decade is game time rather than real world time, which puts the Great War about 20+ years out of reach. If its real world time, then maybe well see GWAC in 2035.

Also down page is a reference to the next AJ after Cathay, fingers crossed for Kislev.

We already lived through The End Times, I don't see any advantage in rushing toward the Second Great Incursion, especially as I'd think TOW would invite the kind of gamer who is happy with setting over narrative, the pre-Mass Effect mind who doesn't complain about "moving the story forward."

More new Arcane Journals after Cathay? That's got to be Kislev *and* reviving an older army since the plural was used.

Very exciting!

At the same time it might mean an existing army getting a new Arcane Journal beefed up to be like Cathay's.

So instead of part of the army, the full army and its rules alongside new/updated models. So could be they go right back to Tombkings or Bretonnia.

That would be pretty funny if it hits the three year cycle like everything else.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
That would be pretty funny if it hits the three year cycle like everything else.

Well, if it joined the cycle then it would all have to slow down- AoS, 40K, HH, and TOW would mean a 4 year cycle, so maybe for the benefit of everyone?

4 years seems sane, iirc 4-5 years was closer to average when i started 25 years ago.

And iirc its been said before that AJs are not army books, they can be tied to armies just as much as they can be tied to places or events and will be the main vehicle through which the game and the core factions will continue to be expanded with additionsl armies of infamy, new chsracters, units, wargear, etc. AJs for the legacy factions are much less likely than for new factions or existing factions.

AJ's might not be "army books" but isn't the new Cathay one basically going to be just that as they aren't in the Forces of Good compendium book.

I can 100% see GW simply using the AJ term for Old World whilst AoS has Battletomes and 40K Codex.

As for the 3 year cycle - it would be VERY predictable for GW to enter such a cycle with Old World. However it is problematic as they can't use it in the Summer Slot because they do indeed run out of summers. That means slot near to Christmas either just before or just after (probably after); or GW shifting to a 4 year cycle. Or something else.


Also nothing says that you have to have a new edition for a new army book. They could easily go back and do a new Bretonnia or TK book with all the units in the same book; all updated with refinements from FAQ/Errata and balance updates; throw some new sculpts for the core models that haven't yet been updated and then perhaps throw a new leader model out there and such and boom you've got a nice big chunky release that everyone will leap on and which doesn't need a new rules edition to sell.

Not really something new or unexpected

That the specific and protectable term Arcane Journal is going to replace the generic term of Army Books was clear after that was first mentioned

that more AJ's coming after all Index armies got theirs more or less clear since they dropped the "HH for Fantasy" idea.
Which itself was mentioned only before the release and a good chance that the people behind that idea or who wanted to be campaign focused not being part of the team any more (rumors were around that ~6 months before the release there was a complete new team working on it)

there were just 2 "real" options anyway on how the game would proceed, the classic army book re-release cycle or the campaign book cycle
with the lore in the AJ being not really connected at all (outside being the same setting and wider time frame, just like the old army books), and Cathay getting a AJ instead of being released as part of a Campaign book, chance was already low for campaign books after that

Also ongoing Edition cycle for TOW doesn't necessarily clash with the main games release cycle depending on how big GW wants it to be
Necromunda got their regular "updates" in the past years without any influence on the main games, LI get their books out as well.

Also to keep in mind, an Army Book release won't happen without a model release
So whatever is done is coming with new models, be it for one faction or multiple ones


Possible Armies after Cathay are still Kislev or Chaos Dwarfs but as the article specifically names Westerland, and we have now a Cathay ship on the map in that very region I would Marienburg is getting its own Journal

Chaos Dwarves are in AoS - at least all Whitefang (reliable) hints on The Grand Alliance Forums point toward that and its less likely that GW will release a new army into both games at the same time. Indeed I suspect the only army that will appear in both is Slaves to Darkness for a long while.

GW wants to have unique forces as much as they can because it means a greater chance of selling the games and models to the same customers. They want two separated and distinct products.

Sure style can get a LONG way there but that means a LOT more investment in design. Plus lets face it they don't have ot load up Old World - every army barring Cathay has big chunks of metal and old plastic ripe for updating,

Well, technically Empire and High Elves are also still in AoS, but with a very different style and setting.
So it really comes down to how Chaos Dwarfs are implemented to be excluded from one or the other
Like the classic 3rd/4th CD for Warhammer and the FW ones for AoS.
Also a question what is going to happen with Fireslayers in AoS as 2 lava/flame themed dwarfs armies are going against the past "each army with a specific style".

Overall I don't think we are going to see a plastic update for metal/resin parts of the already released armies
those are there for the nostalgia to keep the old players happy and phasing those out would work against that (and keeping multiple version available is too much investment for a niche game)

Much more like we get "fresh" lines in plastic with new armies, whatever that is.

Actually I think we 100% will see the old stuff replaced. GW doesn't want metal around if the game is selling really well because it scales up very badly compared to plastics.

Furthermore whilst the nostalgia train is hard at the moment its a "flash in the dark". It's not going to sustain itself. Right now its running on a high because people are celebrating the game coming back - that will end.

Even old fans won't want to see those old models hanging around forever when you've armies like Cathay and Kislev running around with brand new really outstanding models.


So right now you've got a high on nostalgia based release that lets them get lots of armies out fast. However after that I fully expect to see replacements coming. It's what GW has done for every single game they've ever had; its what the community expects and will honestly be demanding once they are over the high of getting models that they sold/never got before (esp because of how fantasy was shut down originally).

 kodos wrote:

Also a question what is going to happen with Fireslayers in AoS as 2 lava/flame themed dwarfs armies are going against the past "each army with a specific style".

Maybe the Fyreslayers finally put together all the gold they've been collecting and find out it's actually Hashut and not Grimnir, and then become the new Chaos Dwarfs!

 kodos wrote:
Not really something new or unexpected

That the specific and protectable term Arcane Journal is going to replace the generic term of Army Books was clear after that was first mentioned

that more AJ's coming after all Index armies got theirs more or less clear since they dropped the "HH for Fantasy" idea.
Which itself was mentioned only before the release and a good chance that the people behind that idea or who wanted to be campaign focused not being part of the team any more (rumors were around that ~6 months before the release there was a complete new team working on it)

there were just 2 "real" options anyway on how the game would proceed, the classic army book re-release cycle or the campaign book cycle
with the lore in the AJ being not really connected at all (outside being the same setting and wider time frame, just like the old army books), and Cathay getting a AJ instead of being released as part of a Campaign book, chance was already low for campaign books after that

Also ongoing Edition cycle for TOW doesn't necessarily clash with the main games release cycle depending on how big GW wants it to be
Necromunda got their regular "updates" in the past years without any influence on the main games, LI get their books out as well.

Also to keep in mind, an Army Book release won't happen without a model release
So whatever is done is coming with new models, be it for one faction or multiple ones


Possible Armies after Cathay are still Kislev or Chaos Dwarfs but as the article specifically names Westerland, and we have now a Cathay ship on the map in that very region I would Marienburg is getting its own Journal

Kislev seems certain as they worked with CA to make up the armies, units etc, Vampire Coast would be another good one as like Cathay never had official models - just conversions and they are pirates so easily slotted in.

Marienburg is currently (OW timeline) still part of the Empire.

They could go more mercs and Dogs of War or just keep putting them in the various army lists.

Fimir would be a fun one

So of all the WE stuff on sale that seems at a decent price honestly - the only thing that really stands out is £65 for the beast pack. At just shy of £5 a model its a bit steep considering how old it all is and how most of them are the same pose.

Battalion is very tempting though

Honestly if GW hadn't dropped soulblight last week I'd likely have grabbed a bunch of this right now.

Personally I think the battalion is the best they’ve released. Until the Cathay one drops.