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Pretty funny (and worrying) conduct from the factory tho

"You should use tech X"
"Sample looks like gak"
"That's because you chose tech X"

Seems like a bad sign to me

Updated the title to make this the general Trench Crusade news and rumors thread.

Hard plastic Prussian warband inbound.

https://www.trenchcrusade.com/news/the-prussians-have-joined-the-great-war/?fbclid=IwdGRleANl14JleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHi8z4eQ8AgZo1W-MZCBBD0qm8Y75-euc7wlfMsVjcszDfabc5bvMDqpJlDPU_aem_hYJNc0sRWBHCT14UKhODRQ

Very excited by this, ace models.

Need to show a big guy for this group to increase the buzz I reckon.

I mean I wouldn’t have turned down a big guy but I’m pretty damn buzzed.

Yep i'm buying those, hopefully they get a second kit to fill out what's missing. The mechanized infantry in this style would be really cool.

The logical next step, with an impressive turnaround. Odd they went with a variant list to start with, but okay.

This is the moment when Kill Team style kits where each mini has two build options and no compatibility with the rest of the box graduate from "GW evil" to the accepted and only logical industry standard

 Thargrim wrote:
Yep i'm buying those, hopefully they get a second kit to fill out what's missing. The mechanized infantry in this style would be really cool.

They may have plans:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
Yep i'm buying those, hopefully they get a second kit to fill out what's missing. The mechanized infantry in this style would be really cool.

They may have plans:

If Tuomas comes on the sprue, count me in

They look great, but the price point for 8 figures is a big high.

40 Euro for 8 is not a lot I think.

£32 for 8 hard plastic models for a sci-fi/fantasy game in and around 32mm scale with some build options is fairly...standard these days? It's certainly not 'cheap' and one could obviously get much more value per figure out of kitbashing historicals but I don't think it's remotely over-priced in the current market.

*shrug*

a few weeks ago Atlantic's 7 (including a Big Guy) for the same price was "staggeringly unappealing" lol

 lord_blackfang wrote:
*shrug*

a few weeks ago Atlantic's 7 (including a Big Guy) for the same price was "staggeringly unappealing" lol

Not quite the same price (£40 as opposed to £32 going on UK prices) which isn't an insubstantial difference proportionally at 25% more for one less model (albeit one's at least nominally a big guy), though I'd agree that they're in the same broad ballpark. Perception of the quality is probably having an impact here given the WGA/MWG produced kit didn't seem to have many fans whereas folks seem to really like the Prussians (that 'official' stamp of licence might also colour peoples' reaction, even if TC is nominally agnostic about such things).

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

Not quite the same price (£40 as opposed to £32 going on UK prices) which isn't an insubstantial difference

Hm, in the EU the Atlantic one is €39,32 and the Archon one is €39,99 (direct in both cases)

 lord_blackfang wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

Not quite the same price (£40 as opposed to £32 going on UK prices) which isn't an insubstantial difference

Hm, in the EU the Atlantic one is €39,32 and the Archon one is €39,99 (direct in both cases)

Interesting; fair enough. The shipping to UK is more than making up the difference if going direct from TC's store mind (though I know retailers over here are stocking them so probably not a huge deal down the line). It did crash their website for a while this morning with folks doing the pre-order.

Victims of their own success!

I'd definitely wait for 3rd party retail for both, anyway. Pretty trivial to get another 10-20% off here.

lord_blackfang wrote:The logical next step, with an impressive turnaround. Odd they went with a variant list to start with, but okay.

This is the moment when Kill Team style kits where each mini has two build options and no compatibility with the rest of the box graduate from "GW evil" to the accepted and only logical industry standard

This gave me a worryingly large laugh. I think need a break from table top nerding for a while!

lord_blackfang wrote:*shrug*

a few weeks ago Atlantic's 7 (including a Big Guy) for the same price was "staggeringly unappealing" lol

The WGA ones don't look like they have enough MASS if that makes sense? They look like half arsed cos players. These guys just look better and dare I say worth the money. I'll be far more inclined to pick some up (after a 10-20% discount at Wayland Games )

As a fan of Oldhammer stuff, I have a lot of respect for this line, particularly it's investment in a strong artistic vision and storied game designers. And not just a hyper Grimdark A.I. slop vision, either, which would be all too easy gruel to churn out these days, but one created and executed by talented humans. TC isn't something I plan to invest heavily in, as the core idea of substituting various European factions of dark Christianity wearing too many crosses* for the Emperor vs. Chaos wearing too many skulls doesn't excite me (even though I often find the latter pretty corporate bland and overpriced these days,) but I'm tuning in because I'm hoping at least a couple hard plastic TC sets will get released that are kitbashable and portable to other settings. While cross-heavy WWI knights aren't my jam, I saw an illustration of an Azeb (Muslim?) soldier that looked very interesting (it wasn't covered in crescents, either.) Most of all, I hope at some point to see hard plastic kits of some of the less-Christian, more monstrous infantry and demons I've seen images of. I can always use more polystyrene fodder for demons and mutants. Resin / 3-D printed stuff interests me a lot less, due to its fragility and toxicity.

It's not for me, but I'm happy for Mormon players that they finally got a dedicated kit from WGA - why not? To my outsider's eyes, the ties are ludicrous but also kind of wonderful; take them away and you'd have a pretty generic-looking grimdark set. But I find Archon kits artistically and technically superior to WGA's - comparing the Prussian kit to the Mormon kit the difference is crystal clear - so I'll be most excited to see what Archon releases down the line. I'm not involved in the Tony Reidy controversy since I didn't have any past dealings with him, and I don't know what his nationality is, but his company style strikes me as American in regrettable ways: too content with "good enough," too focused on doing a lot quickly rather than doing a little really well, and too aesthetically cautious / generic in the name of watching the bottom line. I frequently get the impression that WGA's digital artists are either still cutting their teeth or are too rushed and / or underpaid to do their very best work. I do buy some WGA products because they're cheap and useful for kitbashing, but character-wise they generally feel bland and uninspired to me, like the Wal-Mart of miniature gaming. It'd be nice to get the same sense that WGA is actively trying to up its technical and artistic game the way Archon has over the past decade. I don't always love Archon's designs either - their Deus Lair stuff looks too MTG / D & D generic too me - but technically they're steadily closing the qualitative polystyrene gap with GW / Renedra. (Again, none of this is about any Reidy scandals, and I'm fully aware Prodos / Archon have their own past issues, which I was burned by.)

Only other comment is that I wish TC were 28mm, since so much of my collection isn't Primaris-scaled, and I like to mix-and-match. But I also get that's the trend these days, and I do appreciate the fact that 32mm stuff is easier to paint.

*Trench Crusade is a little bit like mixing dark Christianity, 40K's John Blanche influences on steroids, and a big spoonful of Warzone's human, Dieselpunk, and (mostly) European country-identified factions, isn't it?

Happy to have an option that isn't resin prints, I love FDM printing (and even use it to print larger minis with a 0.2 nozzle), but resin is just too much for me to deal with at the moment.

The warband looks great and 8 minis is very easy as a small painting project.

Hope to see lots more plastic for them, I've got little interest in engaging in the 3D printing world and seeing this on shelves will be great for building communities

I just checked MyMiniFactory.
Buying enough STL files for 3D printing a 700 point army is usually already around 40 Euro. The same price the prussian box costs.

Then you need to 3D print it yourself or someone else does it. Of course you can print an infinite amount but nor sure you need most minis more than once (officer etc)?

The future of plastics at Trench Crusade

TLDR No more resin or STL releases. There will be Warband boxes (like the Prussians), Troop boxes, Elite boxes and Hero boxes. Bulk of the next few years worth of releases will be playtested warband variants, plus some generics like Sniper Priest.

That's a sensible and ambitious plan.

I'm still meh on the gameplay but I can see myself picking up most of their boxes just for the grimdark plastic bits.

It's ambitious but plastics are much more accessible today than in the past and if they've got the capital then its the perfect move. Don't think I've seen a game before make THAT fast a shift from 3D print to plastics!

But yeah its the best move; the physical market is way bigger than the digital and whilst 3D printing is great, its also much harder to scale up production.

interesting dichotomy between dakka and reddit on this one. I expected dakka to be filled with more accusations of betrayal and stabbing their backers in the back, instead thats all the posts on reddit.

I guess because people here were already aware of this being the next step with how well the KS was going
earning that amount of money and not going full in on HIPS would have been the surprise and "betrayal" here

but the (warhammer) 3D printing community on reddit is a very different bubble in general and I guess we are going to see there a GW level of piracy with everyone going to share models/files or selling close enough rip-offs for Trench Crusade because "reasons"

I for myself just hope they gonna invest a little more time to refine the rules before the book comes out
physical models attract people to the IP the same way the STL designs do, but for the game to stick around it must be more intresting to play it and not just paint 10 guys to post on instagram and forget about it after.

They are having regular rules analysis pieces on their blog, play test rule vs proper launch rule. They're definitely getting/have been beefed up.

It's a great news for the game and I can't wait to pick a few box in the future.

as for the reddit comments, it feels the people who feel "betrayed" by this decisicion don't want a good alternative game to GW with great art and minis to thrive and more toys to go "brrr" with their 3D printer honestly.

I think they need to stick with the rules as is (baring any essential 'oops that doesn't work' fixes) as nothing will kill people enthusiasm faster than their not yet delivered physical rule book being invalidated

and these are the people who the game is going to be depending on to post about it, play games in stores etc