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In for just the rulebook myself, maybe some models if the budget permits it before the campaign runs out.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
STLs feel really pricey versus physical models. I definitely am in for the book, but am not sure if I can go as all-in as I originally expected.

Physical model purchase seems almost pointless given that they're printing them though. Also I'm assuming this is gonna be heavily pirated too there's so many eyes on it, I would guess they're also expecting this, that could be one reason for the pricing structure. I'm going to get the book and maybe + one STL warband, Antioch I suppose.

Actually, how do the human models scale up with other ranges out there? Haven't seen any scale comparisons so far myself and some of these models are just amazingly grimdark.

 BrookM wrote:
Actually, how do the human models scale up with other ranges out there? Haven't seen any scale comparisons so far myself and some of these models are just amazingly grimdark.

Photo from Reddit - the models are from their last KS

Almost at $470k. (At $474 after I hit enter lol)

Impressive for an STL/print based mini line and a hardcover book.

I think a lot of people are excited about the art and the people behind it and want to support that.

Welp.

Went in for the Iron Sultanate and their expansion bundle

I like you can get the minis you want individually.

There's several I love the look of, but they are all in different armies.

Launched this at totally the wrong time for me, will have to look at picking some stuff up later when I'm less broke.

I should be all over this but it's got all the red flags.

- new account (o created, 0 backed)
- nickel and diming for individual sculpts, even for digital
- boutique prices
- hostile shipping
- fulfillment through generic 3d print farm

It reads like a slow burn all-marketing, no-content project to me. They spent years dropping big names and building a rabid fanbase but doing no business legwork, now they're cashing out, charging high rates for lowest bidder subcontractor fulfillment.

I foresee a lot of frustration and disappointment here, again (but you wouldn't know about the frustration of the first KS because they changed accounts), certainly for physical backers.

You can get the playtest and quickstart rules here, and they're active on social media - but yeah, I thought they were doing 'proper' plastics for the warbands but it looks like everything is 3D printed.

The physical minis will be printed by Only-Games, who've got a poor reputation. This has been brought up in the comments, to which the Trench Crusade team replied:

Jamie wrote:As for OG, I heard the same things as you and read the same reviews. After having gone through things with them at length and done a lot of test printing (see the KS page) I can confidently say that you have nothing to worry about for your TC minis.

Of course, Only-Games get bad reviews because they often don't do good work, not because they can't ever do good work. I'm sure they did their best trying to land this job, but that says nothing about how they'll go about fulfilling thousands of orders.

These look like very high numbers for a 900$ all in pledge, and it's similar all the way down.

Then, for the lower tiers, they expect players to buy specialist models a la carte. That's currently 2000 individualized orders.

0% chance the print farm can handle it.

Not sold on the universe. Friend likes the look of it, but the cost is too high for me. Even doing the digital pledge (I'd do the whole thing $399), that's more than I am willing to spend on an unknown with so many other options out there.

 Theophony wrote:
Not sold on the universe. Friend likes the look of it, but the cost is too high for me. Even doing the digital pledge (I'd do the whole thing $399), that's more than I am willing to spend on an unknown with so many other options out there.

I hear your concerns - so I'm also interested in these other similar options you're talking about - help me out with some links!

The print farm stuff has made me hold off on purchasing any of the physical models. Call me paranoid, but I'd rather just wait for the initial (non-influencer) reviews to come out instead of risking it and it being another one of those "the first few waves were a disaster" like Warmachine MkIV. I'm not against print farms as a way of selling people models, there's just not enough FOMO going on to make me pay up right now. Shipping costs will probably end up devouring the Kickstarter discount anyway.

I must say that after all the massive hype there was on social media I had expected it to be pulling higher numbers already, but maybe the lack of exclusives is making people more willing to wait and see.

1 day in and at $830K for a small 'start up' isn't meeting expectations for an strong start?

You guys have me nervous now with miniature quality too, dammit!!!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
Not sold on the universe. Friend likes the look of it, but the cost is too high for me. Even doing the digital pledge (I'd do the whole thing $399), that's more than I am willing to spend on an unknown with so many other options out there.

I hear your concerns - so I'm also interested in these other similar options you're talking about - help me out with some links!

This is not a test just completed a backroom event for 2nd edition. They are finishing up the editing and have told me that shipping should be starting shortly. I got in on that as it is an established game with new edition and models. Great looking skirmish game in a post-apocalyptic universe. https://blacksitestudio.com/pages/tnt Miniature agnostic, but I have been a supporter of the "Imitation of life" Tribe and bought several gangs that I have printed out from myminifactory.com. Sadly, he just put his monthly tribe on hold this week, but it will return as he is working on a larger gang at the moment.

I also just went in on A Dead Man's Hand second edition (Redux). They started a Kickstarter yesterday as well for multipart plastic horseback models. Small scale skirmish set in the old west. They just released "the Good" expansion which has 13 factions in it, they will be releasing "The bad and the Ugly" next with more factions. https://www.greatescapegames.co.uk/ The buildings are plastic and you can get generic plastic male and female models to make your band as well as them having metal gangs for all 13 of the Good gangs and many of the other gangs available through the website. Card and dice mechanics to keep the games fresh. Each scene(game) comes in 3 acts, with the winner of each act getting benefits to the next act.

Both of those are fairly inexpensive to get into games. Though I went full in on "The Good" and bought extra buildings and such.

Wish I had more time to paint and play. I had started to make a blog about it here on Dakka, but I have been sidetracked by life again. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/814567.page

I backed the related(?) kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/brassmonkeygames/trench-crusade-communicant-anti-tank-hunter and I liked what I got. Siocast, but everything held up well with good detailing.

This current KS just doesn't seem like my kind of thing. If I buy 3d prints it's from small shops or one man operations, people may argue it's the way of the future or whatever but I don't think serious companies should be going that route.

From what I've seen of the setting i thought it was kind of interesting, but like others here I don't really like the idea of just getting 3D printed miniatures. That just feels somewhat cheap to me.

The whole Only-Games thing has me...concerned, I'll admit it.

I want to believe though!

For what it's worth, both Reaper and Warmahoards have been doing 3d printed models. They're both pretty "serious"

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
For what it's worth, both Reaper and Warmahoards have been doing 3d printed models. They're both pretty "serious"

I've personally seen some of the Warmahoards...They are not all serious. Some bad prints made it through.

I would give them the benefit of the doubt, although I would be printing my own to save a few hundred $$$ compared to buying the printed models. Still, too rich for my blood/ liver/ kidneys that I'd sell to pay for it. I did find some of their sculpts online and printed out an alternate (female) tank hunter, and it came out nicely.

Since rules are free and game is minis-agnostic, I do want to support the artists and designers.

I pledged for the book and stls for 2 warbands.
If they don't follow thru delivery on the book, I will have paid $94 for 16 stls.
I don't feel that's too much to risk.

What concerns me is that they want backers to add dollars for add-ons and ala carte minis without a mechanism to specify in the pledge.

This screams that they do not really understand what they are getting into, or how complex that kind of ordering and picking will become. Even if minis are fulfilled by Only Games print farm, it's going to be hundreds, if not thousands of unique order pulls.
And the customer service issues that that will encompass.

I will add money in the pledge manager, if I want, but not stacking it on in KS.
Gonna keep it simple.

ETA, After seeing the stretch goals, I really don't like "unlocking" paid add-ons.

We shouldn't have to hit a $400 pledge level to get them free.

Over 800k already!

If you go "all in" physical miniatures the price per mini isn't awful - especially as there are quite a few larger minis too - once you also get past the point that it is a large number for that pledge level, of course!

I do wish Only-Games had a better overall reputation though.

Not having a 3D Printer (or the desire to get one/get into that aspect of the hobby) does leave me with limited options for this game though.

 Alpharius wrote:
If you go "all in" physical miniatures the price per mini isn't awful - especially as there are quite a few larger minis too - once you also get past the point that it is a large number for that pledge level, of course!

I do wish Only-Games had a better overall reputation though.

Not having a 3D Printer (or the desire to get one/get into that aspect of the hobby) does leave me with limited options for this game though.

I have seen many cool original kitbashes in the facebook Trench Crusade group, and I am sure there is a Discord.
And the rules are free to give a test-run.
After the KS, they say the minis will be available on Only Games as well. Not positive for the Stls.

Yes they've confirmed that the STLs will be on MyMiniFactory. None of the models are Kickstarter exclusive or anything.

 Alpharius wrote:
1 day in and at $830K for a small 'start up' isn't meeting expectations for an strong start?

You guys have me nervous now with miniature quality too, dammit!!!

Oh it's definitely impressive for a Kickstarter don't get me wrong, it's just the way it felt like everybody was talking about it this was going to be the second coming of tabletop Christ. On my end it's probably being tempered somewhat by how well RPG Kickstarters tend to do by comparison.

I'm sure they'll get the miniature quality sorted eventually (if it isn't at the start) and they've been upfront on the page about replacing any defective models for free, I'd just rather wait and not have to deal with that myself. I'm not begrudging anybody who backs now.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
1 day in and at $830K for a small 'start up' isn't meeting expectations for an strong start?

You guys have me nervous now with miniature quality too, dammit!!!

Oh it's definitely impressive for a Kickstarter don't get me wrong, it's just the way it felt like everybody was talking about it this was going to be the second coming of tabletop Christ. On my end it's probably being tempered somewhat by how well RPG Kickstarters tend to do by comparison.

I'm sure they'll get the miniature quality sorted eventually (if it isn't at the start) and they've been upfront on the page about replacing any defective models for free, I'd just rather wait and not have to deal with that myself. I'm not begrudging anybody who backs now.

The 'add money afterwards to choose what minis you want' is probably causing lots of people to only pledge a little up front, as opposed to other kickstarters where someone has to pledge to a certain level to qualify for exclusives.

 skrulnik wrote:

This screams that they do not really understand what they are getting into, or how complex that kind of ordering and picking will become. Even if minis are fulfilled by Only Games print farm, it's going to be hundreds, if not thousands of unique order pulls.

Exactly, they're all art, no business skill, trying to go with elite prices but corner cutting delivery. Digital only pledges are probably gonna be okay.