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It feels like a significant "more stuff per less money" FOMO thing is going on that's doing to the industry what Walmart did to many independent shops in smaller towns in the US (dominate the space and make it difficult to thrive or even survive).

And then burn out because you've undercut so much value that its not sustainable long-term.

In the STL market its worse because you get burnout on both ends. Walmart can keep selling food because you need that every day. STLs once your collection grows beyond a certain size you actually don't need more. In fact people will cut back dramatically because they start printing what they have got and don't need any more. At that point insane value-for-money can keep some going because the FOMO on the price is never better; but you can very quickly see that you're paying a monthly cost for 1 model from the set that you want that would cost about the same on its own anyway.


So yeah the STL market does everything at hyperspeed - the rapid devaluing of the stl followed by the customers burning out on owning "too much"

Can we take the STL discussion to a thread of its own and keep this one for Trench Crusade discussion? Thanks!

In TC news - Creature Caster have announced they are going to do some TC material called "The Great Hunger"

And I know nothing more than that about it as that's what they've teased in their Discord today - news going out on their socials and such later today



also passing mods - perhaps TC needs to be added to the site abbreviation thingy

Anyone at Adepticon attend the Trench Crusade seminar?

I’d love to see a better pic of that world map, and learn more about what was revealed!

From Insta:

Ah yes the portal to hell in Bosnia, must have been buried under the pyramids

My country got reduced to a single city, it's Marienburg all over again.

Oh, so we get Eire, but Cymru is still just called Wales. Booo!

I mean apparently I would live in Saxony (which is not really anywhere I live) with its capital …Aachen?!

 BrookM wrote:
From Insta:

There's a full map on Facebook with parts this one is missing including Russia that shows the Golden Khanate Mongol territory and Baba Yaga.

Big Hungary, Kyiv, and Trebizond - Im in love

Toumas has also acknowledged that they're going to give us official lore regarding the New World.

Thank you or all the map pics everyone!

Still weird that there's no easily accessible summary of their reveals seminar anywhere online though?

In this day and age of clickbait and piecemeal information sharing, who doesn't love a scavenger hunt?

That said, would love to see TC's take on Baba Yaga and Lancers one day.

Okay, silly question, but what's the appeal here? Is it the team making it,.or the lore, or the miniatures?

Nomeny wrote:
Okay, silly question, but what's the appeal here? Is it the team making it,.or the lore, or the miniatures?

It's a combo - the team behind it has gained a good many old warhammer designers; the design work is very gothic so its tickling that itch for people; there's the model designs themselves; the free rules and 3D printing; the marketing; the fact that its grown steadily and then done a big KS which offered physical as well as digital goods.

 Overread wrote:

Nomeny wrote:
Okay, silly question, but what's the appeal here? Is it the team making it,.or the lore, or the miniatures?

It's a combo - the team behind it has gained a good many old warhammer designers; the design work is very gothic so its tickling that itch for people; there's the model designs themselves; the free rules and 3D printing; the marketing; the fact that its grown steadily and then done a big KS which offered physical as well as digital goods.

Overread summed it up nicely!

It is also completely model agnostic - use what you want and kitbash to your heart's content as well!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Nomeny wrote:
Okay, silly question, but what's the appeal here? Is it the team making it,.or the lore, or the miniatures?

It's a combo - the team behind it has gained a good many old warhammer designers; the design work is very gothic so its tickling that itch for people; there's the model designs themselves; the free rules and 3D printing; the marketing; the fact that its grown steadily and then done a big KS which offered physical as well as digital goods.

Overread summed it up nicely!

It is also completely model agnostic - use what you want and kitbash to your heart's content as well!

Not only that, they've been working with creators on officially unofficial lines and rules expansions that are allowed to use the branding. Not just Westfalia with the Red Brigade, both the TC team and other creators have mentioned they have other collabs for lines in the works(they're working through the licensing, IIRC).

If they make Mongols I might have to reconsider

 Overread wrote:

Nomeny wrote:
Okay, silly question, but what's the appeal here? Is it the team making it,.or the lore, or the miniatures?

It's a combo - the team behind it has gained a good many old warhammer designers; the design work is very gothic so its tickling that itch for people; there's the model designs themselves; the free rules and 3D printing; the marketing; the fact that its grown steadily and then done a big KS which offered physical as well as digital goods.

Makes sense. Thank you.

 Overread wrote:

Nomeny wrote:
Okay, silly question, but what's the appeal here? Is it the team making it,.or the lore, or the miniatures?

It's a combo - the team behind it has gained a good many old warhammer designers; the design work is very gothic so its tickling that itch for people; there's the model designs themselves; the free rules and 3D printing; the marketing; the fact that its grown steadily and then done a big KS which offered physical as well as digital goods.

This - and I've gotten to play it (4 plays now). It's surprisingly good. Fast, exciting, tactical. If the models and lore are even a little bit interesting to you, I'd highly recommend giving it a try!

All I’ve been able to find so far:

That the map was being released, kickstarter is main priority until its completed, they want to do warbands/models for all sub-faction variants, they would like to expand the scope of the game to tanks and such, and there will eventually be modular plastic kits.

Lots in there I’d like to know more about!

Think I might try a crack at their models. Anyone know if their store is up yet?

 parakuribo wrote:
Think I might try a crack at their models. Anyone know if their store is up yet?

They've opened up pre-orders, but won't deliver until all the Kickstarter backers have their stuff.

Given this:

It was more of a talk about how trench crusade came to be. Truth is they're so overwhelmed by the response in the kickstarter they don't want to announce new things yet.

…the Map reveal (which is quite cool!) might be most of what was revealed at Adepticon!

Though there was this too:

And if I remember right during Q&A, someone asked about naval battles. Tuomas said possibly, and getting the designer who did Battle Fleet Gothic to do it.

(That would be Andy Chambers…)

They did reveal the Great Hunger subfaction prototypes at their booth, as well.

Hmmm... interesting - and thank you for posting this!

Looking at this one, I think that's the first faction for Trench Crusade that I don't like - at all.

Good to give the wallet a break though!

I'm not a fan of Black Grail as a whole aesthetically, so these aren't really for me, either.

The Adepticon panel is worth watching imp

Bombshell will be doing a KS soon for minis: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bombshellminis/the-sacred-costalera