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Who cares, let people have what they want. If space marines can survive in space, spit acid, eat peoples brains to gain their memories, and are essentially castrated. They lose all form of identity and become a space marine.

A female space marine would just be a battle brother. No different from any other marine. The amount of augmentations they would go through would strip all identity of the warrior. So one being a space marine formerly men or women wouldn't matter.

In the end they would only serve the emperor and all association does not matter.

In ye old rogue trader days we had female space marines, but GW was horrible at making female models. So in order to just hyper focus on stuff they just got rid of the female space marines cause they were atrocious. Space Marines are the posterboys of the 40k universe, some marines happening to be female would be interesting, but how? Well we know that 1. that the imperium misrepresents history, (like Robute Guilliman said in Dark Imperium it frequently did.) 2. That the horus heresy in universe is largely falsified mythos.

Again we know all this, the 40k universe is largely fables, myths, and tall tales told over and over again. And history written far after the events were over. I mean for one we know for certain it is the 42nd Millenia, the Imperium not knowing that some space marines are female wouldn't really change anything it would just be more. "Yeah that makes sense."

Why waste potential aspirants just based on gender. Cause really its only a few horomones that can easily be editted away. So this idea of their being SIGNIFICANT differences goes away if someone is just boosted by gene editting which the imperium has in spades. Again these tests and trials happen often that more recruits and variety might be benefical for marines, cause once you become a Space Marine, that is whom you are. You stop being human female or human male. You become a Marine an Angel of Death.

For those worried about SOB, SOB have always been more equalivent to the Tempestus Scions than the Space Marines. Other than the two sharing power armor. Thats the only real similarity. As SOB have a completely different modus operandi. Both share similarities like most imperial factions do. But just giving female space marines won't really change anything significantly. I understand peoples hyper protectiveness of the matter, as I was on the fence of no female space marines till I realized. Marines really don't care about their gender... And how insignificant hormonal changes are if you can make a space marine.

So it might be controversial but I just don't see the Imperium being 'regressive' when it comes to gender roles, When they literally have not made that distinction when it comes to anything else. Overtime as 40k has matured as a universe, you can notice that GW has slowly started to drop this "no women in stories" or even mentioning skin color more often .Cause the Imperium is Millions of Worlds. The idea of a regressionist state refusing soldiers, or bodies for its warfronts is part of what the imperium does. They don't care. Thats what is terrifying about the Imperium. They just want bodies on the field and they wouldn't care if it was a child, a grandfather, or grandmother, whomever. They will send you to the front with a gun on hand to fight for the God Emperor. So I don't really see this idea as some people brought up a regressive Imperium.

Now Something I do agree with is that the Space Marines get way too much screen time, to the point they are just everywhere... But thats because as people have pointed out, half of all armies played by people are space marines. And they make half of all sales. I don't think they were would be any drop in sales, or anything like that. Infact it would encourage people to buy more bits, which female space marines would be like we have with stormcasts.

I am also highly resistant to the idea that we should shoot down the idea. I've always found the hobby very toxic online, but in real life people largely don't care. For the terminally online people don't see past their computer screens or really talk to people. Or see people that play the hobby. Many women are interested in warhammer, but they see the online culture not being inclusive and walk away. Yet many do enjoy the lore and history. And some of them are more than likely to be part of the camp of "Let marines be female." And I can say with certainity that these worries about it being a drastic change clearly has not served or just don't read history. How many times have we found out in recent memory of a 'male' historic figure turning out to be female.

How many times have we had massive historical changes that literally changed how we knew about a subject. Like discovering advanced native civilizations in South America.(IE big cities which was largely thought to be very improbable). Or helk the discovery of how we are Heliocentric star system, and that the earth is not revolved around by the sun and moon. Again these were massive events in our way of thinking. So the Imperium turning out to be largely forgetting history, and glossing over details or historical figures, would happen. Cause thats the imperium it is ten thousands of years of history and literally anything could happen during that time.

 JNAProductions wrote:
What language do they speak in 40k?

It doesn't matter what language is spoken in w40k "the setting", when you read Tolkien I have my doubts you read the lines in specific elven, dwarf and human dialects. The problems is with how humans speak in the real world.

And does Germany, where they speak German, have problems with a mixed-gender military?

Define being a problem. According to all metric, the german army is in deep trouble for many things, ranging from recruitment, to quality of the recruits, to problems with resources. But in general the problems of any organisation like military or police are decided by the governing body, and those, in general, are outside entities. So If the german politicians decided that, what ever is happening to the Bundeswehr, is the problem, then it is the problem. And politicians can litteraly picky anything to be the thing. In general, if one were to trust one of the biggest and longest standing army that uses mass number of female recruites, mixed units are very bad for efficiency, casuality both durning training and in combat sitaution, and create problems that generaly don't exist in forces where the sexs are separate or one is not used as a source of recruit. Considering how efficiency focused the IDF is, I relegate my opinion to their expertise in that matter.

Who cares, let people have what they want.

Because saying who cares is to the first step to say I don't care, which replicated over a large enough group turns in to no one cares, and suddenly people from the outside totaly change everything that made the thing great. And they will use the arguments of , well no one cares on and on and on. And when one day you try to do your thing, the way you wanted, they will not tell you that no one cares. No you will be informed that now there are strickt rules and regulations you have to follow, and that the new people very much care, they care about it so much, that they will only let you do your thing, the way you do it, and as a bonus you being unhappy about it or voicing an opposit opinion will brand you as one of the -isms. Then you just have to waith another 25-50 years and the circle turns again. So yeah if at the begining people don't say, we don't want to have X in here, the thing they had will change very fast and very rapidly.

Inclusion. Not in-universe inclusion (the Imperium sucks, and sucks HARD) but out of universe.
Let a woman entering the hobby make models in her image from the flagship army, without a horde of people telling her she's doing it wrong and it's against canon and all that.

So you are puting forth an argument for changing the in setting lore of a 4 decades frenchise, in order to placete a group of people, who are not even playing, collecting and by virtue of that participating in large enough numbers to matter? And you can bet your head, that if you tried to enter a women dominated hobby or activity, and tried to advocate for more beer, rough housing in both the verbal and physical form, you would find a staunch opposition to that.

Karol wrote:

So you are puting forth an argument for changing the in setting lore of a 4 decades frenchise, in order to placete a group of people, who are not even playing, collecting and by virtue of that participating in large enough numbers to matter? And you can bet your head, that if you tried to enter a women dominated hobby or activity, and tried to advocate for more beer, rough housing in both the verbal and physical form, you would find a staunch opposition to that.

Sadly Karol you've given exactly the sort of ass about face toxic masculinity example that shows these conversations are worth having. I'm a cis hetero male and I don't by definition want more beer and rough housing in my day to day life, I also don't consider it a measure of a hobbies "manliness".

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

a_typical_hero wrote:I like my Salamanders to be obsidian black with red eyes. The setting - imho - would not benefit from having non-obsidian skin colors in that chapter.
I like my Blood Angels to turn their feral aspirants into vampire super models during initiation. The setting - imho - would not benefit from having "normal looking" dudes dorning the red armour.
I like my Sisters to be female only. The decree is an essential and memorable part of the faction identity. The setting - imho - would not benefit from having men at arms fighting for the Imperial church.

So YOUR Salamanders, Blood Angels, and Sisters can be all those things. Making exceptions and alternative options in the setting doesn't stop you doing what you want with your own models. If you want purely male Astartes, you can leave all your Astartes as male only.

You ignored the rest of my argument. Those are merely examples given, as they are some of the most prominent in universe things that come to my mind where the looks of a person are very set in stone. Those are examples of small fluff tidbits that - by themselves - really don't matter all that much in the great scheme of things. But together they form the unique and interesting bits of their respective (sub)factions. This is what makes 40k 40k. After the initial opening of "in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war" people delve deeper into the lore and this is what keeps them interested.

If we go all in and would say that every race and every faction can be represented by everyone , 40k would lose a lot of its character.
Male, female and trans Necrons*, Orks, Tyranids, just don't feel right. There are factions where it is very suitable like (Dark) Eldar, AdMech and Guard, among others. Again.. if there is a good story that enhances the lore and implements female Marines into the setting without it feeling forced, be my guest and go ahead. If the main point is inclusivity, no thank you.

*I'm well aware that higher Necrons keep their personality. Mostly talking about the model part here, as robot-boobs would be...weird.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Should there be Marines in wheelchairs too?

The ultimate crippled Marine is the Dreadnought

a_typical_hero wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

a_typical_hero wrote:I like my Salamanders to be obsidian black with red eyes. The setting - imho - would not benefit from having non-obsidian skin colors in that chapter.
I like my Blood Angels to turn their feral aspirants into vampire super models during initiation. The setting - imho - would not benefit from having "normal looking" dudes dorning the red armour.
I like my Sisters to be female only. The decree is an essential and memorable part of the faction identity. The setting - imho - would not benefit from having men at arms fighting for the Imperial church.

So YOUR Salamanders, Blood Angels, and Sisters can be all those things. Making exceptions and alternative options in the setting doesn't stop you doing what you want with your own models. If you want purely male Astartes, you can leave all your Astartes as male only.

You ignored the rest of my argument. Those are merely examples given, as they are some of the most prominent in universe things that come to my mind where the looks of a person are very set in stone. Those are examples of small fluff tidbits that - by themselves - really don't matter all that much in the great scheme of things. But together they form the unique and interesting bits of their respective (sub)factions. This is what makes 40k 40k. After the initial opening of "in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war" people delve deeper into the lore and this is what keeps them interested.

If we go all in and would say that every race and every faction can be represented by everyone , 40k would lose a lot of its character.
Male, female and trans Necrons*, Orks, Tyranids, just don't feel right. There are factions where it is very suitable like (Dark) Eldar, AdMech and Guard, among others. Again.. if there is a good story that enhances the lore and implements female Marines into the setting without it feeling forced, be my guest and go ahead. If the main point is inclusivity, no thank you.

*I'm well aware that higher Necrons keep their personality. Mostly talking about the model part here, as robot-boobs would be...weird.

These are your own words.
"If the main point is inclusivity, no thank you."
Direct quote from your post.

Do you see why that's an issue? This is not in-universe, Imperium is inclusive and happy and fun. This is a real-world concern.

Then what do you want? An example from academic, if you don't like the men in women space example? The moment you let people use physical violance to stop people from speaking out, which depending on country in the western world happened around the end of 60s and in the non western world a bit later, but not by a lot of time. You suddenly have physical violance enter the academical discourse. Suddenly just not being okey with someones opinion is not enough. And soon all sides of the academical world have to deal with the fact, that if you put forth a research, someone may blow up your lab, beat you up, threaten your family and kids. If someone in the 60s said, no you can not use violance as part of academical discourse and everyone who will be doing it or supporting it will be removed from academia, science would be in much better shape then it is now.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Should there be Marines in wheelchairs too?

The ultimate crippled Marine is the Dreadnought

Not very representative of real quadriplegics though is it. Pretty exclusionary really to have all your disabled members as giant boxes which sleep 90% of the time.

a_typical_hero 808558 11481390 wrote:

If we go all in and would say that every race and every faction can be represented by everyone , 40k would lose a lot of its character.
Male, female and trans Necrons*, Orks, Tyranids, just don't feel right. There are factions where it is very suitable like (Dark) Eldar, AdMech and Guard, among others. Again.. if there is a good story that enhances the lore and implements female Marines into the setting without it feeling forced, be my guest and go ahead. If the main point is inclusivity, no thank you.

This. If everything can be everything, then everything is nothing. It also greatly diminishes any exemption. If every space marine , or even just BA can be and is "Mephistoned", then the character of Mephiston loses most reason to exist. If men can be SoB and women can be space marines or Custodes, then what is the next step? peaceful pro human xenos. Non animal instinctive behaviour tyranids. Chaos gods being good. What is the reason for w40k, as a setting at all, if everyone is just doing his own thing. This way is chaos, no pun intended, and lack of order. Any frenchise that tried it, and there were some bigger then warhammer 40000, ended up worse or dead for it. We don't need the rings of pała, warhammer 40000 version.

Karol wrote:
Then what do you want? An example from academic, if you don't like the men in women space example? The moment you let people use physical violance to stop people from speaking out, which depending on country in the western world happened around the end of 60s and in the non western world a bit later, but not by a lot of time. You suddenly have physical violance enter the academical discourse. Suddenly just not being okey with someones opinion is not enough. And soon all sides of the academical world have to deal with the fact, that if you put forth a research, someone may blow up your lab, beat you up, threaten your family and kids. If someone in the 60s said, no you can not use violance as part of academical discourse and everyone who will be doing it or supporting it will be removed from academia, science would be in much better shape then it is now.

What does this have to do with Female Space Marines? Either you are not explaining your opinion well, or I am misreading.

If you have read history you know for certain nothing is concrete. Nothing in history can be taken for 100% accuracy. Again because history is as flawed as the people who helped write or lived it.

This idea of the 40k universe's lore being biblical in terms of importance or holy text. Is largely just bad, it doesn't help you, or I or anyone in this matter to discuss lore. It just becomes a slinging mass back and forth with no one gaining any understanding. 40k's lore has always been more equalivent to real life history than not. That many of its historical accounts in lore are largely false, myth or a legend. They are not first hand sources they are largely reports or narrative driven bias. Characters who have no understanding of situations or just characters who in universe survived long after the fact of the war rewriting the history based on some third or second hand accounts. Like... Real history.

So there being Space Marines being female wouldn't be that far of a leap. Especially if gene editing is so commonly used in the Imperium.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Should there be Marines in wheelchairs too?

The ultimate crippled Marine is the Dreadnought

Not very representative of real quadriplegics though is it. Pretty exclusionary really to have all your disabled members as giant boxes which sleep 90% of the time.

I feel a Vox Machina flash back coming on.

 JNAProductions wrote:
Do you see why that's an issue? This is not in-universe, Imperium is inclusive and happy and fun. This is a real-world concern.

I stand by these words and I don't see a problem with them. Please don't ignore the rest of the post. I'm against a change to the lore if you do it for the sake of inclusivity. If your lore change is making 40k more interesting than before, you have my blessing to include as many groups and minorities as possible. I don't consider watering down faction identity as more interesting. But that is a subjective topic.

Karol wrote:

a_typical_hero 808558 11481390 wrote:

If we go all in and would say that every race and every faction can be represented by everyone , 40k would lose a lot of its character.
Male, female and trans Necrons*, Orks, Tyranids, just don't feel right. There are factions where it is very suitable like (Dark) Eldar, AdMech and Guard, among others. Again.. if there is a good story that enhances the lore and implements female Marines into the setting without it feeling forced, be my guest and go ahead. If the main point is inclusivity, no thank you.

This. If everything can be everything, then everything is nothing. It also greatly diminishes any exemption. If every space marine , or even just BA can be and is "Mephistoned", then the character of Mephiston loses most reason to exist. If men can be SoB and women can be space marines or Custodes, then what is the next step? peaceful pro human xenos. Non animal instinctive behaviour tyranids. Chaos gods being good. What is the reason for w40k, as a setting at all, if everyone is just doing his own thing. This way is chaos, no pun intended, and lack of order. Any frenchise that tried it, and there were some bigger then warhammer 40000, ended up worse or dead for it. We don't need the rings of pała, warhammer 40000 version.

If you start down that slope, when will you stop?
There's clearly absolutely no way to allow for something reasonable without also allowing anything that might technically follow from it.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Should there be Marines in wheelchairs too?

The ultimate crippled Marine is the Dreadnought

Not very representative of real quadriplegics though is it. Pretty exclusionary really to have all your disabled members as giant boxes which sleep 90% of the time.

Or in case of the primaris and some of the leviathan dreadnought, slowly burned down in both body and soul in the processes of using a wheel chair. Unless we go really metaphysical, in which case, I yield the field as I have no expiriance or enough knowladge in it.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Should there be Marines in wheelchairs too?

The ultimate crippled Marine is the Dreadnought

Not very representative of real quadriplegics though is it. Pretty exclusionary really to have all your disabled members as giant boxes which sleep 90% of the time.

Because the humanity has largely removed disabled people from having issues, they have spinal surgeries, and robotic parts that largely remove the idea of there really being Quadriplegics. Comparing that to Women being space marines potential is hilarious. Its not even comparable and really just a horrible take.

This. If everything can be everything, then everything is nothing. It also greatly diminishes any exemption. If every space marine , or even just BA can be and is "Mephistoned", then the character of Mephiston loses most reason to exist. If men can be SoB and women can be space marines or Custodes, then what is the next step? peaceful pro human xenos. Non animal instinctive behaviour tyranids. Chaos gods being good. What is the reason for w40k, as a setting at all, if everyone is just doing his own thing. This way is chaos, no pun intended, and lack of order. Any frenchise that tried it, and there were some bigger then warhammer 40000, ended up worse or dead for it. We don't need the rings of pała, warhammer 40000 version.

This is largely based on what fear? This is largely incorrect. Anyone can be a stormcast does that mean that they have removed everything or diminished the setting? No. Cause Stormcasts lose their personalities, and they become servants of Sigmar and are chosen because of being a hero. From a hospice worker defending children, to a accountant picking up their blade to protect their family, to a woman protecting her child from a chaos warrior. They become part of Sigmar's armies of Stormcasts. Does that diminish them or make them more interesting? It makes super interesting. The best character in the stormcasts, is the hospice worker, the guy who not only died protecting children but has largely stayed the same even through his reforgings.

A space Marine being male or female does not matter. It has never mattered because Marines by all accounts are just one thing, Angels of Death. Them being female doesn't change their chemistry or how they would act. Both Genders having the potential to be a space marine would add to the setting. And this stealing of children narrative that Space Marines actively engaged in.

Peaceful Pro Humans Xenos existed for ages. The Imperium largely spoiled this with the great crusade. The Interex Exist my friend. Non Animal Tyranids, already Exist Hive Tyrants. Chaos Gods can be good and BECAUSE THEY ARE CHAOS, they don't have an alliegance to evil, just like the imperium is not good. There is no good or evil in warhammer, because everyone is shades of grey.

40k has always been about chaos it always been a setting where any story can happen. From a simple tale about a daughter and father escaping a war, to a character have philisophical debate with a pastor about the nature of religion. Again this 40k, this a setting not a story. The setting changes almost every edition and is recontextualized as GW continuely updates its lore or gives it new meaning. the Badab for ages was nothing but a simple short story. Then it was expanded upon in the Black Books by forgeworld and they are wonderfully detailed. Where people before said there is no way there could be space marine chapters who could only do this. We had a space marine chapter that get possessed by demons and are able to resist the taint of chaos and become expert demon hunters. Then we have a space marine faction, that is largely regenade that works for hte imperium and has the coolest aesthetic out of most space marine chapters and is based largely on Māori Myth and Pacific Islanders but have the skin color of sharks.

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 Asherian Command wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Should there be Marines in wheelchairs too?

The ultimate crippled Marine is the Dreadnought

Not very representative of real quadriplegics though is it. Pretty exclusionary really to have all your disabled members as giant boxes which sleep 90% of the time.

Because the humanity has largely removed disabled people from having issues, they have spinal surgeries, and robotic parts that largely remove the idea of there really being Quadriplegics. Comparing that to Women being space marines potential is hilarious. Its not even comparable and really just a horrible take.

But how will somebody in a wheelchair see themselves represented by the posterboy faction of 40K if there aren't Marines in wheelchairs? I'm just trying to allow all those wheelchair-bound folks who totally want to get into the hobby but can't because they're not physically represented by Marines to do so.

Saying that there's an in-universe reason for why there aren't wheelchair Marines is the exact sort of rhetoric that drives the disabled away from tabletop gaming.

Pull up, Thread, Pull up!

Tsagualsa wrote:
Pull up, Thread, Pull up!

I'd just praised the amicable discussion as well!

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Insectum7 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
People who want female Marines aren’t fetishists.

Certainly not all, but definitely some small minority. I've seen the images from Deviant Art.

I've also seen the images of other factions too. Shouldn't we then just say that there's a "small minority" of *40k players* who are fetishists? Why are we focusing on the FSM art when we could talk about Eldar art?

I didn't "focus" on fetishistic FSM art. I merely aknowledged it existed. And your misguided projectionism is part of why I have you on ignore. Do better.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Should there be Marines in wheelchairs too?

The ultimate crippled Marine is the Dreadnought

Not very representative of real quadriplegics though is it. Pretty exclusionary really to have all your disabled members as giant boxes which sleep 90% of the time.

Because the humanity has largely removed disabled people from having issues, they have spinal surgeries, and robotic parts that largely remove the idea of there really being Quadriplegics. Comparing that to Women being space marines potential is hilarious. Its not even comparable and really just a horrible take.

But how will somebody in a wheelchair see themselves represented by the posterboy faction of 40K if there aren't Marines in wheelchairs? I'm just trying to allow all those wheelchair-bound folks who totally want to get into the hobby but can't because they're not physically represented by Marines to do so.

Saying that there's an in-universe reason for why there aren't wheelchair Marines is the exact sort of rhetoric that drives the disabled away from tabletop gaming.

No one would say that. As someone who is disabled the idea, of parts of me being not a problem in the future that can easily remedieds. Make me feel normal. Not only makes me hopeful but happy that its not a problem in the future. So do tell me how that doesn't represent me?

How the idea that being fethed over by my birth and genes isn't easily fixed in the future? Not appealing?

This take of yours is so largely devoid of any experience with any human beings. Stop it.

Space Marines can be disabled, infact we have many whom are. They are called dreadnoughts or have cybernitics and struggle with the fact they are cybernetics, or largely lost their limbs or were made that way by horrible events. Again that is relatable and many people like these stories because it shows the marines being flawed...

The point where they should have introduced female super-persons was the Custodes: They had almost no consistent background outside of some Collectible Card Game artwork, they're 'handmade' unique masterworks of genhancement and alchemy without a standardized process, and their selection process seems to be more esoteric than the processes and rituals the marines use. Missed opportunity right there.

It is a tricky one, on the one hand its not really needed since the concept has already been filled by sisters of battle, the nuns to the warrior monks theme.

On the other hand more variety in head sculpts could be interesting.

I did see the Templin video on the subject and it was terrible due to being poorly reasoned and thought out, shame since most of their videos are pretty decent, just came across as click bait to me honestly.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Should there be Marines in wheelchairs too?

The ultimate crippled Marine is the Dreadnought

Not very representative of real quadriplegics though is it. Pretty exclusionary really to have all your disabled members as giant boxes which sleep 90% of the time.

Because the humanity has largely removed disabled people from having issues, they have spinal surgeries, and robotic parts that largely remove the idea of there really being Quadriplegics. Comparing that to Women being space marines potential is hilarious. Its not even comparable and really just a horrible take.

But how will somebody in a wheelchair see themselves represented by the posterboy faction of 40K if there aren't Marines in wheelchairs? I'm just trying to allow all those wheelchair-bound folks who totally want to get into the hobby but can't because they're not physically represented by Marines to do so.

Saying that there's an in-universe reason for why there aren't wheelchair Marines is the exact sort of rhetoric that drives the disabled away from tabletop gaming.

As a point of detail, there actually IS a Marine in a wheelchair (or analagous device) in the Ian Watson Space Marine novel. The Marine had been captured, tortured, and at least his legs amputated. He remained in "service" on the IF Cruiser as an advisor or some such. He talked briefly to the main characters in between deployments iirc.

 Asherian Command wrote:
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This take of yours is so largely devoid of any experience with any human beings. Stop it.

Oh, but it's not my take, is it? That's the beauty you see - it's literally the pro-female Marine argument: If you're not directly physically represented in [Marine] model form you can't identify with them, and are being actively excluded from the hobby.

Tsagualsa wrote:
The point where they should have introduced female super-persons was the Custodes: They had almost no consistent background outside of some Collectible Card Game artwork, they're 'handmade' unique masterworks of genhancement and alchemy without a standardized process, and their selection process seems to be more esoteric than the processes and rituals the marines use. Missed opportunity right there.

This so much.

Out of interest, a question towards everybody, regardless of the side you are taking:

How would you feel if GW acknowledges in general that women are compatible, but for some reason the Imperium won't do it. Leaving open the possibility that your homebrew chapter's Apothecary does take in female initiates? (Or your Chaos warband, if you are on of those weirdos .)

a_typical_hero wrote:
Out of interest, a questions towards everybody, regardless of the side you are taking:

How would you feel if GW acknowledges in general that women are compatible, but for some reason the Imperium won't do it. Leaving open the possibility that your homebrew chapter's Apothecary does take in female initiates? (Or your Chaos warband, if you are on of those weirdos .)

I'd be OK with that, have a little manuscript/log style entry from a magos stating they'd tried it and whilst they'd had some success the dogma of the imperium was against upsetting historic legacy and stats quo basically, which is also a direct analogy to the fan base in a lot of ways.

a_typical_hero wrote:
Out of interest, a questions towards everybody, regardless of the side you are taking:

How would you feel if GW acknowledges in general that women are compatible, but for some reason the Imperium won't do it. Leaving open the possibility that your homebrew chapter's Apothecary does take in female initiates? (Or your Chaos warband, if you are on of those weirdos .)

That's yet another reasonable way GW could slowly introduce the concept, and would fit the way the Imperium operates. It suffers a bit from the 'Special Snowflake Syndrome', but homebrew forces often do.

a_typical_hero wrote:
Out of interest, a questions towards everybody, regardless of the side you are taking:

How would you feel if GW acknowledges in general that women are compatible, but for some reason the Imperium won't do it. Leaving open the possibility that your homebrew chapter's Apothecary does take in female initiates? (Or your Chaos warband, if you are on of those weirdos .)

I prefer not changing established lore, so my vote is against.

There's more thematic reasons that I prefer the current paradigm too, being that the Imperium could have been doomed to fail from the start, and the shortcuts made in its founding are the reasons for it's failure. The idea of the hyper-patriarchy of it's founding leading almost directly to it's greatest flaws holds worthwhile resonance.