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AllSeeingSkink wrote: I am always curious when people say they want femarines, what are they hoping for?
Models from the ground up that are more svelte? Boob plate? Feminine faces (softer details and smaller chin)? Or just the exact some models but the fluff says some of them have don't have a cod in their codpiece?
Classy
We've already got the hyper fascist misogyny and transphobe accusations being thrown around. The classy ship sailed a while ago.
However, the question is at its core a reasonable and important one: what do people who want female Space Marines want from GW. There are several tiers imaginable:
- Female SM exist, but are visually identical to their male counterparts, so they need no specifically female models on the tabletop; their existence occasionally occurs in background works and in roleplaying campaigns etc.
- Female SM exist and are visually identifiable, but in a restrained way, similar to current AOS Stormcast or Warriors of Chaos; their existence occurs in background works, roleplaying, and via the odd model with a slightly more feminine general shape, a mix of male and female heads and torsos, and so on
- Female SM exist and are visually extremely distinct, with the WoW-style boob plate and exagerated waist-to-hip-ratio even in armour, to the point that their models need to be completely distinct from the generic Space Marine lineup and parts are usually not interchangeable; their existence is extremely visually present and changes the overall character of your army as it's obvious even from a distance.
That's all stuff that is still not 'fetishistic' but an accepted stylistic choice among different Fantasy/SciFi games, so each of those options could be a reasonable demand if one talks about 'Female Marines', but obviously these are worlds apart in their overall impact on the setting and its visuals.
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AllSeeingSkink wrote: I am always curious when people say they want femarines, what are they hoping for?
Models from the ground up that are more svelte? Boob plate? Feminine faces (softer details and smaller chin)? Or just the exact some models but the fluff says some of them have don't have a cod in their codpiece?
Classy
He's not wrong. I mean unless the helmet is off (which in a pitched battle is stupid but I digress) there is no way to know what is under space marine power armour unless the armour itself specifically designed to represent a gender. Even then with the helmet off I can't imagine women who would become Marines wouldn't still look particularly feminine.
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However, the question is at its core a reasonable and important one: what do people who want female Space Marines want from GW. There are several tiers imaginable:
- Female SM exist, but are visually identical to their male counterparts, so they need no specifically female models on the tabletop; their existence occasionally occurs in background works and in roleplaying campaigns etc.
- Female SM exist and are visually identifiable, but in a restrained way, similar to current AOS Stormcast or Warriors of Chaos; their existence occurs in background works, roleplaying, and via the odd model with a slightly more feminine general shape, a mix of male and female heads and torsos, and so on
- Female SM exist and are visually extremely distinct, with the WoW-style boob plate and exagerated waist-to-hip-ratio even in armour, to the point that their models need to be completely distinct from the generic Space Marine lineup and parts are usually not interchangeable; their existence is extremely visually present and changes the overall character of your army as it's obvious even from a distance.
That's all stuff that is still not 'fetishistic' but an accepted stylistic choice among different Fantasy/SciFi games, so each of those options could be a reasonable demand if one talks about 'Female Marines', but obviously these are worlds apart in their overall impact on the setting and its visuals.
And why will sisters still be S3, T3, 1W? If they go to S4, T4, 2W why shouldn't they get Terminator Armor? 2A and Primaris Organs? Squatted? Will we need female Special characters? Which is more misogynistic the Dark Angels for only having one female special character, or the Blood Angels having two little Vamps in Boobplate? It doesn't really matter what people want. Reversing themselves at this point would cause more problems than it fixes, and wouldn't even placate many of the people calling for the change.
My WHFB armies were Bretonians and Tomb Kings.
2023/01/22 13:13:34
Subject: Re:How Do People Feel About Female Marines?
Dudeface wrote: Chunks of it certainly are, hence where there is a faction of warrior nuns, because it'd be too dangerous having a standing force of men fighting for the church.
That's an intentional distortion of the reason the Sisters of Battle exist, and you know it.
Dudeface wrote: It is reductive but the point still stands, the setting is what it is, the people gatekeeping and attacking others personal choices aren't the game or its setting.
"40k is for everyone" doesn't mean "40k should cater to everyone". It it means anyone can join in. If you don't like what you find, then that's on you.
Modelling aesthetics aside, in universe a female SM would probably not look any different from a male one.
I'd assume that breasts are underdeveloped or straight taken off, the body is just muscles over muscles without a distict female shape to it.
The face might be SLIGHTLY more feminime, but more into the direction of a very muscular and toned Ursula Creed and not a super model. With the notably exception of BA Marines, which might look like an extremer version of Gina Carano during her MMA time. And no make-up...
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Designer's Note: Hardened Veterans can be represented by any Imperial Guard models, but we've really included them to allow players to practise their skills at making a really unique and individual unit. Because of this we won't be making models to represent many of the options allowed to a Veteran squad - it's up to you to convert the models. (Imperial Guard, 3rd Edition)
2023/01/22 13:16:50
Subject: Re:How Do People Feel About Female Marines?
Dudeface wrote: Chunks of it certainly are, hence where there is a faction of warrior nuns, because it'd be too dangerous having a standing force of men fighting for the church.
That's an intentional distortion of the reason the Sisters of Battle exist, and you know it.
Dudeface wrote: It is reductive but the point still stands, the setting is what it is, the people gatekeeping and attacking others personal choices aren't the game or its setting.
"40k is for everyone" doesn't mean "40k should cater to everyone". It it means anyone can join in. If you don't like what you find, then that's on you.
OK explain to me, as others have done, why there are no males fighting for their religion, without making it arbitrarily about gender to exclude males please.
2023/01/22 13:24:44
Subject: Re:How Do People Feel About Female Marines?
OK explain to me, as others have done, why there are no males fighting for their religion, without making it arbitrarily about gender to exclude males please.
There was. They were called the Frater Templar. They pretty much ended after the Reign of Blood/Age of Apostasy. There still is - now they're called the Frater Militia, but they may be on a short vacation again.
My WHFB armies were Bretonians and Tomb Kings.
2023/01/22 13:27:03
Subject: Re:How Do People Feel About Female Marines?
Dudeface wrote: Chunks of it certainly are, hence where there is a faction of warrior nuns, because it'd be too dangerous having a standing force of men fighting for the church.
That's an intentional distortion of the reason the Sisters of Battle exist, and you know it.
Dudeface wrote: It is reductive but the point still stands, the setting is what it is, the people gatekeeping and attacking others personal choices aren't the game or its setting.
"40k is for everyone" doesn't mean "40k should cater to everyone". It it means anyone can join in. If you don't like what you find, then that's on you.
OK explain to me, as others have done, why there are no males fighting for their religion, without making it arbitrarily about gender to exclude males please.
You do know that the Imperium is a theocracy, right? Everyone is fighting for their religion. It's why they have crusades. Some are just way more open about it than others, and once again, that applies to both men and women. Hence zealots.
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What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I am always curious when people say they want femarines, what are they hoping for?
Models from the ground up that are more svelte? Boob plate? Feminine faces (softer details and smaller chin)? Or just the exact some models but the fluff says some of them have don't have a cod in their codpiece?
Classy
We've already got the hyper fascist misogyny and transphobe accusations being thrown around. The classy ship sailed a while ago.
However, the question is at its core a reasonable and important one: what do people who want female Space Marines want from GW. There are several tiers imaginable:
- Female SM exist, but are visually identical to their male counterparts, so they need no specifically female models on the tabletop; their existence occasionally occurs in background works and in roleplaying campaigns etc.
- Female SM exist and are visually identifiable, but in a restrained way, similar to current AOS Stormcast or Warriors of Chaos; their existence occurs in background works, roleplaying, and via the odd model with a slightly more feminine general shape, a mix of male and female heads and torsos, and so on
- Female SM exist and are visually extremely distinct, with the WoW-style boob plate and exagerated waist-to-hip-ratio even in armour, to the point that their models need to be completely distinct from the generic Space Marine lineup and parts are usually not interchangeable; their existence is extremely visually present and changes the overall character of your army as it's obvious even from a distance.
That's all stuff that is still not 'fetishistic' but an accepted stylistic choice among different Fantasy/SciFi games, so each of those options could be a reasonable demand if one talks about 'Female Marines', but obviously these are worlds apart in their overall impact on the setting and its visuals.
See, I have advocated for option A. Since it makes sense and hurts no one.
Dudeface wrote: Chunks of it certainly are, hence where there is a faction of warrior nuns, because it'd be too dangerous having a standing force of men fighting for the church.
That's an intentional distortion of the reason the Sisters of Battle exist, and you know it.
Dudeface wrote: It is reductive but the point still stands, the setting is what it is, the people gatekeeping and attacking others personal choices aren't the game or its setting.
"40k is for everyone" doesn't mean "40k should cater to everyone". It it means anyone can join in. If you don't like what you find, then that's on you.
OK explain to me, as others have done, why there are no males fighting for their religion, without making it arbitrarily about gender to exclude males please.
You do know that the Imperium is a theocracy, right? Everyone is fighting for their religion. It's why they have crusades.
Some are just way more open about it than others, and once again, that applies to both men and women. Hence zealots.
You do know the adeptus sororitas is the militant arm of the ecclesiarchy right? That is the church's defined and supported military force. They do not allow men. That is a black and white situation.
My use of the term "fighting for their religion" was a little sloppy but you've intentionally avoided the point.
2023/01/22 13:36:27
Subject: Re:How Do People Feel About Female Marines?
You do know that the Imperium is a theocracy, right? Everyone is fighting for their religion. It's why they have crusades.
Some are just way more open about it than others, and once again, that applies to both men and women. Hence zealots.
Not quite. Space Marines are still arguable atheistic with a potential superstition cult. They tolerate the Ecclesiarchy with resigned eye rolling more than devout worship.
My WHFB armies were Bretonians and Tomb Kings.
2023/01/22 13:38:16
Subject: Re:How Do People Feel About Female Marines?
Dudeface wrote: OK explain to me, as others have done, why there are no males fighting for their religion, without making it arbitrarily about gender to exclude males please.
There's no official standing army of men due to the Reign of Blood, and the Ministorum chose to approach this problem via using the letter of the law rather than the spirit, hence the Sisters of Battle. But there are plenty of non-sanctioned, non-official and non-standing forces fighting for the Ecclesiarchy everywhere. We see preachers fighting for the Imperium all the damned time. They've had rules since at least 2nd Ed.
But you know this. I shouldn't have to explain this to anyone with the level of knowledge of 40k most people have there, thus I come back to my original point: You are intentionally distorting the facts of the Decree Passive to suit your argument. It is a brazen display of intellectual dishonesty.
Dudeface wrote: Chunks of it certainly are, hence where there is a faction of warrior nuns, because it'd be too dangerous having a standing force of men fighting for the church.
That's an intentional distortion of the reason the Sisters of Battle exist, and you know it.
Dudeface wrote: It is reductive but the point still stands, the setting is what it is, the people gatekeeping and attacking others personal choices aren't the game or its setting.
"40k is for everyone" doesn't mean "40k should cater to everyone". It it means anyone can join in. If you don't like what you find, then that's on you.
OK explain to me, as others have done, why there are no males fighting for their religion, without making it arbitrarily about gender to exclude males please.
You do know that the Imperium is a theocracy, right? Everyone is fighting for their religion. It's why they have crusades. Some are just way more open about it than others, and once again, that applies to both men and women. Hence zealots.
You do know the adeptus sororitas is the militant arm of the ecclesiarchy right? That is the church's defined and supported military force. They do not allow men. That is a black and white situation.
My use of the term "fighting for their religion" was a little sloppy but you've intentionally avoided the point.
No, I didn't avoid the point. Zealots fight for their religion. The Adeptus Mechanicus fight for their religion. Whenever the Imperial Guard shout "For the Emperor!" they are fighting for their religion because that is their god. They may not be as hardcore fanatics as zealots for the Sororitas, but they are still fighting for their religion. Just because it's not an answer you want to a poorly worded question doesn't mean that the point was "avoided".
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What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
See, I have advocated for option A. Since it makes sense and hurts no one.
Again:
And why will sisters still be S3, T3, 1W? If they go to S4, T4, 2W why shouldn't they get Terminator Armor? 2A and Primaris Organs? Squatted? Will we need female Special characters? Which is more misogynistic the Dark Angels for only having one female special character, or the Blood Angels having two little Vamps in Boobplate? It doesn't really matter what people want. Reversing themselves at this point would cause more problems than it fixes, and wouldn't even placate many of the people calling for the change. Will each order of Sisters be assigned to a specific Chapter for geneseed? Will they have to repaint their armor? Will they have to move into the Fortress Monastery? Or will they be sent out to open their own? How many sisters are in each order? Last info I have is about 3-4000 per order. Will they have to break up into new Chapters?
Hurts no one?
My WHFB armies were Bretonians and Tomb Kings.
2023/01/22 13:44:41
Subject: Re:How Do People Feel About Female Marines?
Dudeface wrote: OK explain to me, as others have done, why there are no males fighting for their religion, without making it arbitrarily about gender to exclude males please.
There's no official standing army of men due to the Reign of Blood, and the Ministorum chose to approach this problem via using the letter of the law rather than the spirit, hence the Sisters of Battle. But there are plenty of non-sanctioned, non-official and non-standing forces fighting for the Ecclesiarchy everywhere. We see preachers fighting for the Imperium all the damned time. They've had rules since at least 2nd Ed.
But you know this. I shouldn't have to explain this to anyone with the level of knowledge of 40k most people have there, thus I come back to my original point: You are intentionally distorting the facts of the Decree Passive to suit your argument. It is a brazen display of intellectual dishonesty.
Stop it.
Yes you're, I do know this. I also know that the astartes creation process is meant to be keyed to the male biology. Weirdly one of these is a problem, where diversity should be an integral part of the story and game design. The other is some vastly supported intentional in-setting circumvention of a made up law via sexism, which is a-ok apparently.
I don't see how anyone can justify one and not the other. It's a parcel package, you can't demand inclusivity based on outdated gender discrimination for Marines then go "but yeah the all women army is fine".
Dudeface wrote: Chunks of it certainly are, hence where there is a faction of warrior nuns, because it'd be too dangerous having a standing force of men fighting for the church.
That's an intentional distortion of the reason the Sisters of Battle exist, and you know it.
Dudeface wrote: It is reductive but the point still stands, the setting is what it is, the people gatekeeping and attacking others personal choices aren't the game or its setting.
"40k is for everyone" doesn't mean "40k should cater to everyone". It it means anyone can join in. If you don't like what you find, then that's on you.
OK explain to me, as others have done, why there are no males fighting for their religion, without making it arbitrarily about gender to exclude males please.
You do know that the Imperium is a theocracy, right? Everyone is fighting for their religion. It's why they have crusades.
Some are just way more open about it than others, and once again, that applies to both men and women. Hence zealots.
You do know the adeptus sororitas is the militant arm of the ecclesiarchy right? That is the church's defined and supported military force. They do not allow men. That is a black and white situation.
My use of the term "fighting for their religion" was a little sloppy but you've intentionally avoided the point.
No, I didn't avoid the point.
Zealots fight for their religion. The Adeptus Mechanicus fight for their religion. Whenever the Imperial Guard shout "For the Emperor!" they are fighting for their religion because that is their god. They may not be as hardcore fanatics as zealots for the Sororitas, but they are still fighting for their religion.
Just because it's not an answer you want to a poorly worded question doesn't mean that the point was "avoided".
When you join a conversation about an absence of male sisters of battle, it is very much ignoring the context of the conversation.
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2023/01/22 13:46:25
Subject: Re:How Do People Feel About Female Marines?
You do know that the Imperium is a theocracy, right? Everyone is fighting for their religion. It's why they have crusades. Some are just way more open about it than others, and once again, that applies to both men and women. Hence zealots.
Not quite. Space Marines are still arguable atheistic with a potential superstition cult. They tolerate the Ecclesiarchy with resigned eye rolling more than devout worship.
Eh, Black Templars are pretty hardcore, but yeah Space Marines, ironically, are the least fanatical soldiers in the Imperium, as least when it comes to religion. They are fanatical in other ways, but faith isn't one of them. Which is weird, considering how they have chaplains, pray, live in monasteries, are partly inspired by knightly religious orders, etc.
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What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
2023/01/22 13:54:15
Subject: Re:How Do People Feel About Female Marines?
I don't see how anyone can justify one and not the other. It's a parcel package, you can't demand inclusivity based on outdated gender discrimination for Marines then go "but yeah the all women army is fine".
It's pretty easy. First, I remind myself it's fiction, and I don't care if we have female marines or not, but we're already pretty well locked into Not in the fluff, the rules, and the market. A big monolithic government agency flaunting the spirit of the law by toeing right up to the letter of the law as a textbook example of "Power Corrupts" is both funny, and totally in keeping with the grim dark setting.
My WHFB armies were Bretonians and Tomb Kings.
2023/01/22 13:56:26
Subject: Re:How Do People Feel About Female Marines?
When you join a conversation about an absence of male sisters of battle, it is very much ignoring the context of the conversation.
When a poorly worded and vague question is asked, answering it is not "ignoring the context."
As to why there are no male sisters of battle, it's because of the Decree Passive, which was already explained. Fluff wise it was to explain why there's an all women army when the Church isn't legally supposed to have a fighting force.
Thematically they're supposed to be Nuns with Guns to Space Marine's Monks with...tonks? Bonks? I don't know a clever weapon pun that rhymes with monk, but you get the idea.
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What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
2023/01/22 13:59:11
Subject: Re:How Do People Feel About Female Marines?
I don't see how anyone can justify one and not the other. It's a parcel package, you can't demand inclusivity based on outdated gender discrimination for Marines then go "but yeah the all women army is fine".
It's pretty easy. First, I remind myself it's fiction, and I don't care if we have female marines or not, but we're already pretty well locked into Not in the fluff, the rules, and the market. A big monolithic government agency flaunting the spirit of the law by toeing right up to the letter of the law as a textbook example of "Power Corrupts" is both funny, and totally in keeping with the grim dark setting.
So is a backwards scientifically ignorant stagnant empire just continuing to follow their previous ideas/creations in male space marines because they're unable to even consider testing females because "that's not how they did it the last 10k years".
To reiterate my personal stance: I'm against both female Marines and male sisters in the in universe fluff, I see no need to change it as it stands, as long as it's understood that people in the hobby should be free to create their own narrative and represent their hobby how they choose. I'm not going to refuse to play against a female space marine army, I wouldn't bat an eyelid and would happily have a chat about their story etc. But I don't think it needs writing into the core fluff.
2023/01/22 14:07:50
Subject: Re:How Do People Feel About Female Marines?
Dudeface wrote: I'm not going to refuse to play against a female space marine army, I wouldn't bat an eyelid and would happily have a chat about their story etc. But I don't think it needs writing into the core fluff.
You're better than I am then. I'd already be looking for an escape route because chances are too great they're one of two people - some sort of home brew special character with Magnus' psychics, Mortarian's combat prowess, and Guilliman's force multiplication all for the exorbitant price of 100 points OR someone who's going to call me a misogynist transphobe for not letting them win.
My WHFB armies were Bretonians and Tomb Kings.
2023/01/22 14:13:51
Subject: Re:How Do People Feel About Female Marines?
Dudeface wrote: OK explain to me, as others have done, why there are no males fighting for their religion, without making it arbitrarily about gender to exclude males please.
There's no official standing army of men due to the Reign of Blood, and the Ministorum chose to approach this problem via using the letter of the law rather than the spirit, hence the Sisters of Battle. But there are plenty of non-sanctioned, non-official and non-standing forces fighting for the Ecclesiarchy everywhere. We see preachers fighting for the Imperium all the damned time. They've had rules since at least 2nd Ed.
But you know this. I shouldn't have to explain this to anyone with the level of knowledge of 40k most people have there, thus I come back to my original point: You are intentionally distorting the facts of the Decree Passive to suit your argument. It is a brazen display of intellectual dishonesty.
Stop it.
Yes you're, I do know this. I also know that the astartes creation process is meant to be keyed to the male biology. Weirdly one of these is a problem, where diversity should be an integral part of the story and game design. The other is some vastly supported intentional in-setting circumvention of a made up law via sexism, which is a-ok apparently.
It's not sexism though. You're assigning malice.
Fun fact; Ireland's old law on the height of a boundary wall for your property used to read something to the effect of "not so tall as to impede the progress of a young man". Thats the same situation as the "men-at-arms" law in the Imperium. If an Irish farmer built their wall tall enough to impede old men, children and women but not young men then by word of the law it is legal. Circumventing it isn't sexism, its rules lawyering.
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See, I have advocated for option A. Since it makes sense and hurts no one.
Again:
And why will sisters still be S3, T3, 1W? If they go to S4, T4, 2W why shouldn't they get Terminator Armor? 2A and Primaris Organs? Squatted? Will we need female Special characters? Which is more misogynistic the Dark Angels for only having one female special character, or the Blood Angels having two little Vamps in Boobplate? It doesn't really matter what people want. Reversing themselves at this point would cause more problems than it fixes, and wouldn't even placate many of the people calling for the change. Will each order of Sisters be assigned to a specific Chapter for geneseed? Will they have to repaint their armor? Will they have to move into the Fortress Monastery? Or will they be sent out to open their own? How many sisters are in each order? Last info I have is about 3-4000 per order. Will they have to break up into new Chapters?
Hurts no one?
Sisters are normal humans. Nutty ones, but standard and not bio-enhanced people.
The only change is people would be able to say 'This model was afab and called Garr. They had a tough life that made their trials to become a fully fledged battle brother seem easy. They were my favourite Tac. Marine to paint.' And for no one to reply 'but the lore...'
Dudeface wrote: I'm not going to refuse to play against a female space marine army, I wouldn't bat an eyelid and would happily have a chat about their story etc. But I don't think it needs writing into the core fluff.
You're better than I am then. I'd already be looking for an escape route because chances are too great they're one of two people - some sort of home brew special character with Magnus' psychics, Mortarian's combat prowess, and Guilliman's force multiplication all for the exorbitant price of 100 points OR someone who's going to call me a misogynist transphobe for not letting them win.
I'm for female marines. Lore is no reason not to do it; lore has been changed and expanded before an it will be again.
Now if marines were some minor faction, this wouldn't be a big deal, but they're the massively over presented main faction, and that is not going to change.
And a big part of their appeal is that you can personalise them. Vampire marines? Sure! Viking marines? Go ahead! Mongol marines? Not a problem. Amazon marines? Get out of here!
I think it would just enrichen the settin to open up this avenue of personalisation too. And It wouldn't require much from GW. Just acknowledge in some throwaway sentence that whilst rare, female marines are possible. And perhaps have some feminine marine heads in some upgrade sprue.* As far as I know, most people who want female marines don't want extensive range redesign with boobplates etc.
* With converting female marines finding properly sized heads is the hurdle. Most GW's female heads look way too tiny.
I'm for female marines. Lore is no reason not to do it; lore has been changed and expanded before an it will be again.
Now if marines were some minor faction, this wouldn't be a big deal, but they're the massively over presented main faction, and that is not going to change.
And a big part of their appeal is that you can personalise them. Vampire marines? Sure! Viking marines? Go ahead! Mongol marines? Not a problem. Amazon marines? Get out of here!
I think it would just enrichen the settin to open up this avenue of personalisation too. And It wouldn't require much from GW. Just acknowledge in some throwaway sentence that whilst rare, female marines are possible. And perhaps have some feminine marine heads in some upgrade sprue.* As far as I know, most people who want female marines don't want extensive range redesign with boobplates etc.
* With converting female marines finding properly sized heads is the hurdle. Most GW's female heads look way too tiny.
Seems to me that an obvious counterpoint is that you didn't need GW to greenlight your cool conversions though. You're already free to personalize away without changing the setting.
Seems to me that an obvious counterpoint is that you didn't need GW to greenlight your cool conversions though. You're already free to personalize away without changing the setting.
True. I could have used some plastic female marine heads though.
I used to think that it doesn't really mater, but after witnessing the bizarre hostility (I don't mean this thread) that posting female space marine pictures on internet elicits, I support GW canonising the concept.
Designer's Note: Hardened Veterans can be represented by any Imperial Guard models, but we've really included them to allow players to practise their skills at making a really unique and individual unit. Because of this we won't be making models to represent many of the options allowed to a Veteran squad - it's up to you to convert the models. (Imperial Guard, 3rd Edition)
Seems to me that an obvious counterpoint is that you didn't need GW to greenlight your cool conversions though. You're already free to personalize away without changing the setting.
True. I could have used some plastic female marine heads though.
I used to think that it doesn't really mater, but after witnessing the bizarre hostility (I don't mean this thread) that posting female space marine pictures on internet elicits, I support GW canonising the concept.
I can understand that sentiment in response to hostility, but I just don't think it's a good enough reason.
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