Deeds of Legend

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**p5freak**

The stratagem says that the selected chivalric ability is active for that model, regardless of your army’s current level of Honour, which means its active, even if honour points are 0. But what exactly is active ? There are two rules, honoured and virtuos. Is honoured active, or virtuos, or both ?

What if the knight is in an shaux detachent in an IMPERIUM AoO army ? Does it start with 1 honour point, even if there is no code chivalric active ?

DEEDS OF LEGEND

Use this Stratagem in any phase, when a FREEBLADE LANCE model from your army destroys an enemy VEHICLE, MONSTER or CHARACTER unit. Select one Chivalric ability. Until the end of the battle, this model has that Chivalric ability, and it is active for that model, regardless of your army’s current level of Honour. If you selected the Martial Legacy ability, you can only use that ability to change the result of a roll to a 6 if that roll was made for this model. You can only use this Stratagem once.

CODE CHIVALRIC
Imperial Knights fight by a stringent set of codes to ensure that in addition to defeating the enemy, honour is always upheld.

If every unit from your army has the IMPERIAL KNIGHTS keyword (excluding units with the AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM or UNALIGNED keywords) and all of those units (excluding FREEBLADES) are from the same noble household, then when you write your army list you must also swear 2 Oaths from those in the following tables, and make a note of them on your army list.

You will start the battle with 1 Honour point. You can gain Honour points during the battle, typically by completing the Pledge of your selected Oaths. You can also lose Honour points during the battle, typically when the Troth of your selected Oaths applies. You can never have less than 0 Honour points, or more than 6. At the start of each battle round, consult the table below to determine your army’s current level of Honour.

ARMY HONOUR

0 Dishonoured
1-4 Honoured
5-6 Virtuous

Models with this ability will then gain a number of Chivalric abilities depending on which are active for your army, as follows:
Whilst your army is Dishonoured, the Honoured and Virtuous Chivalric abilities from your selected Oaths are not active.
Whilst your army is Honoured, the Honoured Chivalric ability from your selected Oaths are active for all IMPERIAL KNIGHTS units in your army, but the Virtuous Chivalric abilities from your selected Oaths are not active.
Whilst your army is Virtuous, the Honoured and Virtuous Chivalric abilities from your selected Oaths are active for all IMPERIAL KNIGHTS units in your army.

**Valkyrie**

Is this a legit query or another one of your obscure "gotchas"?

Given how niche it is, looks like something that can just be resolved there and then.

**p5freak**

Why is this niche, when every IMPERIUM army can now add a FREEBLADE knight in AoO ? How is this just resolved there and then by RAW ?

**Valkyrie**

p5freak wrote:
Why is this niche, when every IMPERIUM army can now add a FREEBLADE knight in AoO ? How is this just resolved there and then by RAW ?

Because they'd have to take the Freeblade then decide whether or not to use the strat, if they have CP. If it were to come up, I would just say you start with 1HP from then on, which you'll probably bark out "citation please", but it seems the quickest way to resolve it there and then without resorting to pages of back and forth that'll probably end up getting locked.

**DeathReaper**

p5freak wrote:
The stratagem says that the selected chivalric ability is active for that model, regardless of your army’s current level of Honour, which means its active, even if honour points are 0. But what exactly is active ? There are two rules, honoured and virtuos. Is honoured active, or virtuos, or both ?

Spoiler:

What if the knight is in an shaux detachent in an IMPERIUM AoO army ? Does it start with 1 honour point, even if there is no code chivalric active ?

DEEDS OF LEGEND

Use this Stratagem in any phase, when a FREEBLADE LANCE model from your army destroys an enemy VEHICLE, MONSTER or CHARACTER unit. Select one Chivalric ability. Until the end of the battle, this model has that Chivalric ability, and it is active for that model, regardless of your army’s current level of Honour. If you selected the Martial Legacy ability, you can only use that ability to change the result of a roll to a 6 if that roll was made for this model. You can only use this Stratagem once.

CODE CHIVALRIC
Imperial Knights fight by a stringent set of codes to ensure that in addition to defeating the enemy, honour is always upheld.

If every unit from your army has the IMPERIAL KNIGHTS keyword (excluding units with the AGENT OF THE IMPERIUM or UNALIGNED keywords) and all of those units (excluding FREEBLADES) are from the same noble household, then when you write your army list you must also swear 2 Oaths from those in the following tables, and make a note of them on your army list.

You will start the battle with 1 Honour point. You can gain Honour points during the battle, typically by completing the Pledge of your selected Oaths. You can also lose Honour points during the battle, typically when the Troth of your selected Oaths applies. You can never have less than 0 Honour points, or more than 6. At the start of each battle round, consult the table below to determine your army’s current level of Honour.

ARMY HONOUR

0 Dishonoured
1-4 Honoured
5-6 Virtuous

Models with this ability will then gain a number of Chivalric abilities depending on which are active for your army, as follows:
Whilst your army is Dishonoured, the Honoured and Virtuous Chivalric abilities from your selected Oaths are not active.
Whilst your army is Honoured, the Honoured Chivalric ability from your selected Oaths are active for all IMPERIAL KNIGHTS units in your army, but the Virtuous Chivalric abilities from your selected Oaths are not active.
Whilst your army is Virtuous, the Honoured and Virtuous Chivalric abilities from your selected Oaths are active for all IMPERIAL KNIGHTS units in your army.

Active is exactly like it sounds.

The model that used the Stratagem, can make use of whatever Chivalric ability it gained (picked) through the Strat, all of it. That "Chivalric ability" is simply active and you can use all of that Chivalric ability (If you picked the Honoured one, you use that. if you picked the Virtuous you use that).

Don't overthink it.

Edited*

**p5freak**

And why does it say this ? Martial legacy is the virtuous ability from the lay low the tyrants oath.

If you selected the Martial Legacy ability, you can only use that ability to change the result of a roll to a 6 if that roll was made for this model. You can only use this Stratagem once.

Why do i have to select something, when both are active ? To me this sounds like only one is active, and i have to select one ? But the strat doesnt say that (that i have to select one ability).

Oath
Lay Low The Tyrants
Pledge
If an IMPERIAL KNIGHTS model from your army destroyed 1 or more WARLORD, CHARACTER, MONSTER or VEHICLE units during a battle round with a melee attack, then at the end of that battle round you gain 1 Honour point.
Troth
If less than 2 enemy units have been destroyed by attacks made by IMPERIAL KNIGHTS units from your army during that battle round, then you lose 1 Honour point.

Honoured Ability
Martial Pride: Each time this model is selected to shoot or fight, you can re-roll one hit roll or one wound roll.

Virtuous Ability
Martial Legacy: Once per battle round, when you make an Advance roll, hit roll, wound roll, or saving throw for one IMPERIAL KNIGHTS model from your army, you can change the result of that roll to a 6.

EDIT : I think i get it. You dont get to choose an oath. You choose one ability, which is then active, regardless of your honour point level. The strat assumes you already have two oath selected. What happens if i dont have an oath ? An imperial knight in an shaux detachment in an AoO army doesnt get any oath. Do i still get to choose an ability which is then active ?

**U02dah4**

Then you can't select one

As you have nothing to select from

**DeathReaper**

Spoiler:

Did you read what you just wrote?

let me address your questions and statements:

1: "Why do i have to select something, when both are active ?" [A:] I assume you are talking about the Martial legacy ability. You do not select something, it literally tells you what you can use. No selection needed.

2: "To me this sounds like only one is active, and i have to select one ? But the strat doesnt say that (that i have to select one ability)." [A:] Only one part of the Martial legacy ability is active, because it literally tells you this.

Edited*

**p5freak**

You do select an ability, either honoured or virtuos, from an oath (there are four oath, and each has a honoured and virtuos ability), because you normally have two oath when playing imperial knights. That ability is then active, even if you have 0 honour points. Normally, it wouldnt be active with 0 honour points. Now the martial legacy sentence makes sense.

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U02dah4 wrote:
Then you can't select one

As you have nothing to select from

The strat says i select a chivalric ability, so i have to do that.

**U02dah4**

As a super heavy aux You don't have a chivalric ability to select so you can activate the strat but it doesn't work

It would be exactly the same argument for

RECOUNT THE VIRTUES.

Use this Stratagem at the start of any of your phases other than your Command phase. Select one MENTOR unit from your army that has not recounted a teaching this turn. That model can recount one teaching that has not already been recounted by a friendly model this turn. That teaching is automatically inspiring (do not roll) and takes effect until the start of your next Command phase.

If all the teachings have been used this turn you can activate the strat it does nothing

Or

INFOSLAVE SKULL

Use this Stratagem at the end of the Reinforcements step of your opponent’s Movement phase. Select one ADEPTUS MECHANICUS CORE unit from your army that is not within Engagement Range of any enemy units. That unit can shoot as if it were your Shooting phase, but its models can only target a single eligible enemy unit that was set up as Reinforcements this turn and that is within 12" of their unit when doing so.

If your adeptus mechanicus core units are all Dragoons with no guns you can't shoot

Saying but I have to shoot because the strat says so when you don't have to activate the strat is as time wasty as ever because noone is going to do it

**BorderCountess**

Once again, Dakka is over-thinking things.

There are eight Chivalric abilities (four Oaths, with two abilities each). When you use this stratagem, you pick one of the eight abilities, and that ability is active for the selected FREEBLADE for the rest of the battle, regardless of whatever else is going on with honor or oaths or codes.

**p5freak**

Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Once again, Dakka is over-thinking things.

There are eight Chivalric abilities (four Oaths, with two abilities each). When you use this stratagem, you pick one of the eight abilities, and that ability is active for the selected FREEBLADE for the rest of the battle, regardless of whatever else is going on with honor or oaths or codes.

Agreed.

**DeathReaper**

Yea, it seems I was looking at the 4 oaths, thinking they were "Chivalric abilities" when each Oath has 2 "Chivalric abilities"

So you pick a single Chivalric abilitiy, either the Honoured or Virtuous one, and can use that no matter what the honor is.

**Breton**

Are we even sure you get access to the stratagems? In the books I checked, at the front of the Stratagems section it says "If your army includes XYZFaction Dets, excluding yadda yadda yadda... you get access to these strats.

And Super Heavy Auxiliary Dets are usually excluded.

**p5freak**

If your army includes any IMPERIAL KNIGHTS Detachments, you have access to these Stratagems, and can spend CPs to use them.