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RazorEdge wrote:
Why Mk3?

It's objectively the best armor mark. Therefore it needs to happen. Therefore it happens. It's hardly a mystery.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Oof. The first two new things for TOW are resin characters. That's disappointing. They look great, but I am not dealing with Foregeworld nonsense.

From the Tomb Kings perspective it doesn't bother me that the characters are resin. You can get a plastic Tomb King in the Necrosphinx kit. So at least a plastic version is already available. I'd rather if Forge World's plastic budget is limited, character models are done in resin while we get core units like new Skeletons and Ushabti in plastic. Not that we know or it is in any way guaranteed, of course.

Sucks a bit more for Bretonnian fans, I guess.

The winter timing for a new HH plastic army ties in nicely with the Winter Admech release which could mean a bunch of plastic Mechanicus stuff that can also be taken in 40k. Having Ad Mech so early is odd, but that would make more sense for bringing them forward.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
MKII is a really welcome release. Now, upscale MKIII and IV too, together with both Termies.

That IS MkIII.

Yeah, I had a brain reset

Happens when there's so much awesome shown.

Nurgle lord aside, where'd you get to see awesome? I just got a bunch of roadmaps (and the AoS one was real bad) and a small grab-bag of random figures. Day 1 sapped what little energy they had, apparently. Day 2 is a vague promise that things will be better later in the year.

RazorEdge wrote:
Why Mk3?

Would have preferred MkII or MkV myself.

I image it's because it's fitting/could be reused (with a different arm/shield sprue) if/when they decide to do Breachers..

EDIT : notice how the Phobos-pattern boltguns now have rounded foregrips ? Those would slot perfectly in a Fafnir Rann-style shield.

EDIT 2 : and knowing GW, they'll probably make a future (hypothetical) Breacher upgrade kit in resin..

Voss wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
MKII is a really welcome release. Now, upscale MKIII and IV too, together with both Termies.

That IS MkIII.

Yeah, I had a brain reset

Happens when there's so much awesome shown.

Nurgle lord aside, where'd you get to see awesome? I just got a bunch of roadmaps (and the AoS one was real bad) and a small grab-bag of random figures. Day 1 sapped what little energy they had, apparently. Day 2 is a vague promise that things will be better later in the year.

The first half of Day 1 at that. The second preview was pants.

That said, I personally found the 30k one exciting, although it wasn’t especially packed.

Was there any mention as to whether the Eye of Horus on the Cerastus Lancer was molded on, or if it is a separate piece where there are some options?

 Dysartes wrote:
Was there any mention as to whether the Eye of Horus on the Cerastus Lancer was molded on, or if it is a separate piece where there are some options?

They deliberately mentioned the eye of Horus bit at a point I wasn’t paying 100% attention, but I presume it was to say there were different options. Would be weird to just have the eye of Horus, especially when that detail has been optional on everything else.

 Dysartes wrote:
Was there any mention as to whether the Eye of Horus on the Cerastus Lancer was molded on, or if it is a separate piece where there are some options?

It was mentioned in the context of the kit having multiple options, so unless it's a whole separate top piece just for the eye I imagine it'll be separate like on the vehicle accessory sprue

Phew - that being a fixed piece would've made me have second thoughts about picking one of those up at some point

 Overread wrote:
Now please GW can Epic be true Epic not "HH Epic its just marines vs marines"

Fine to start with but I hope they move on and give it a wide array of factions rather than endless variants of human factions.

The resin Old World models.. hmm expected but I'm not wild about it. Nice to see though that some stuff is coming back in metal - there's a few dwarf characters I'd like to get.

Thought the AoS stuff looked great - some cracking models.

Overall I thought for the 40th anniversary of Warhammer this was a little sparse - more art, more lore chats/chats with designers, concepts would have been good and filled things out a good bit. The road maps are a very welcome addition though.

While I'm happy that we're getting MkIII, this really frustrates me as MkIV is what I'm looking to making my army out of, and now they're just going to look even more pathetic on the battlefield.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
While I'm happy that we're getting MkIII, this really frustrates me as MkIV is what I'm looking to making my army out of, and now they're just going to look even more pathetic on the battlefield.

I think this is good news in terms of MkIV getting updated at some point though.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
While I'm happy that we're getting MkIII, this really frustrates me as MkIV is what I'm looking to making my army out of, and now they're just going to look even more pathetic on the battlefield.

I think this is good news in terms of MkIV getting updated at some point though.

FWIW, one of the art slides had a MkIV Imperial Fist on the left

I'm still not convinced it is EPIC. It could be a new video game, card game, board game, etc.

Time will tell.

Dont video games get their own event?

SamusDrake wrote:
Dont video games get their own event?

Not sure, but they have been previewing a new video game at this event.

The YouTube video title is battle on a new scale. It's Epic.

It could also be "Apoc" rules for Horus Heresy.


I think there's enough feelers out there that GW knows Epic is on people's mind and is currently the buzz word floating around. Leaving a hint like that that isn't connected to Epic would be trolling and trolling communities is often very ill advised unless its April 1st (and even then there's limits).


Yes it could mean something else and if it does I'd hope GW wouldbe fast to release some kind of confirmation/follow-up very fast otherwise they've got weeks/months of people being convinced Epic is coming and hype building.
You do NOT want that if your actual product is something else entirely.

Heck who recalls when Blizzard hyped up their Blizcon and their Diablo 3 market and sprung a "ok we've no new core game content at all, but we've got a mobile game for you"

Oh, what was the game? I must have overlooked it...


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 Overread wrote:


Heck who recalls when Blizzard hyped up their Blizcon and their Diablo 3 market and sprung a "ok we've no new core game content at all, but we've got a mobile game for you"

That legend will NEVER die...

The video is literally called "Battle on a new scale"

The units are represented by rectangles and squares the same proportion as Epic bases

We've had rumours of HH-themed Epic for a while now, and those rumours have been accurate about other things so far

At this point if you don't think it's Epic then nothing short of them screaming "It's Epic!" while physically pointing to an Epic model is going to change your mind. GW ain't subtle.

Charax wrote:

At this point if you don't think it's Epic then nothing short of them screaming "It's Epic!" while physically pointing to an Epic model is going to change your mind. GW ain't subtle.

Corporate 'mysteries' are never subtle, at least not for mass-market things like this. It's exactly as 'mysterious' as it needs to be for every last numbnut to figure it out and feel good about themselves (my go-to example: the 'mystery' about who was the baddy in the MTG set Shadows over Innistrad) - intelligent people often fall into the trap of overthinking it, or retroactively justifying their foregone conclusions by convincing themselves with complex arguments. Because they can, being intelligent makes that comparatively easy

Tsagualsa wrote:

Charax wrote:

At this point if you don't think it's Epic then nothing short of them screaming "It's Epic!" while physically pointing to an Epic model is going to change your mind. GW ain't subtle.

Corporate 'mysteries' are never subtle, at least not for mass-market things like this. It's exactly as 'mysterious' as it needs to be for every last numbnut to figure it out and feel good about themselves (my go-to example: the 'mystery' about who was the baddy in the MTG set Shadows over Innistrad) - intelligent people often fall into the trap of overthinking it, or retroactively justifying their foregone conclusions by convincing themselves with complex arguments. Because they can, being intelligent makes that comparatively easy

Like how early on the only image we had of Old World was a regular 28/32mm scale square base and a few people were arguing that it was going to be Warmaster scale or how round bases would be the norm and such

People and groups of people (the mob?) can easily take limited clear info and twist and turn it when they are left with only that info. One person posts ahope; another interprets it as a theory and before you know it you've 20 pages arguing over it

Charax wrote:
The video is literally called "Battle on a new scale"

The units are represented by rectangles and squares the same proportion as Epic bases

We've had rumours of HH-themed Epic for a while now, and those rumours have been accurate about other things so far

At this point if you don't think it's Epic then nothing short of them screaming "It's Epic!" while physically pointing to an Epic model is going to change your mind. GW ain't subtle.

The real worry is development will drag on for years and then when it comes time to actually show it off, there will just be a muddled mess.
Such is fate.

Charax wrote:
The video is literally called "Battle on a new scale"

The units are represented by rectangles and squares the same proportion as Epic bases

We've had rumours of HH-themed Epic for a while now, and those rumours have been accurate about other things so far

At this point if you don't think it's Epic then nothing short of them screaming "It's Epic!" while physically pointing to an Epic model is going to change your mind. GW ain't subtle.

Battle on a new scale... that could mean a lot of things. The Horus Heresy Board game getting a modern version.

Square (used in Epic 1st and 2nd edition) and Rectangles (used in Epic 3rd and 4th edition) doesn't necessarily mean Epic. Again, Horus Heresy the boardgame had square cardboard chits for units. So, not a given that it is Epic.

Rumours, we'll rumours can be wrong as they are rumours.

Edit to add.

Epic Horus Heresy will also mean 3 games in the Horus Heresy setting, one of which will be stepping all over the toes of one.

Epic never stood on the toes of Adeptus Titanicus, AT has always been much more granular and detailed than any version of Epic, doing away with things like heat management (there was an exception for the Imperator, because it was a single model)

As with most games, the fewer units that are in a battle, the more individually detailed the rules can be. AT only has a few units per side, so it can be hyperdetailed. Epic has more units, so the detail is pulled back. both can coexist - and have, every other time the two rulesets have been released

 stonehorse wrote:

Charax wrote:
The video is literally called "Battle on a new scale"

The units are represented by rectangles and squares the same proportion as Epic bases

We've had rumours of HH-themed Epic for a while now, and those rumours have been accurate about other things so far

At this point if you don't think it's Epic then nothing short of them screaming "It's Epic!" while physically pointing to an Epic model is going to change your mind. GW ain't subtle.

Battle on a new scale... that could mean a lot of things. The Horus Heresy Board game getting a modern version.

Square (used in Epic 1st and 2nd edition) and Rectangles (used in Epic 3rd and 4th edition) doesn't necessarily mean Epic. Again, Horus Heresy the boardgame had square cardboard chits for units. So, not a given that it is Epic.

Rumours, we'll rumours can be wrong as they are rumours.

Edit to add.

Epic Horus Heresy will also mean 3 games in the Horus Heresy setting, one of which will be stepping all over the toes of one.

Would Horus Heresy Board Game players be interested in "battling in a new scale"? Seems like a strange thing to highlight in a teaser.

The square bases, the long stick bases, the fact that they're specifically calling out Lords of War and Titan legions... literally every single detail points to Epic 30k.

ImAGeek wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 stahly wrote:
Maybe the mystery army release is just a new big box, like it was rumoured?

Hmm, MKIII troops + Deredeo + Fellblade + some Assault ones?

They specified on the stream that there were non-marine releases coming, it makes sense for the mystery army release to be that (as everything else is marine related).

I'm going to put 500 quatloos on Squats being the mystery army.

 stonehorse wrote:

Charax wrote:
The video is literally called "Battle on a new scale"

The units are represented by rectangles and squares the same proportion as Epic bases

We've had rumours of HH-themed Epic for a while now, and those rumours have been accurate about other things so far

At this point if you don't think it's Epic then nothing short of them screaming "It's Epic!" while physically pointing to an Epic model is going to change your mind. GW ain't subtle.

Battle on a new scale... that could mean a lot of things. The Horus Heresy Board game getting a modern version.

Square (used in Epic 1st and 2nd edition) and Rectangles (used in Epic 3rd and 4th edition) doesn't necessarily mean Epic. Again, Horus Heresy the boardgame had square cardboard chits for units. So, not a given that it is Epic.

Rumours, we'll rumours can be wrong as they are rumours.

Edit to add.

Epic Horus Heresy will also mean 3 games in the Horus Heresy setting, one of which will be stepping all over the toes of one.

Not really. Epic doesn't compete with hh. Different people, dlfferent tastes. Gw in 2000's was idiot thinking just because they drop non-40k/fb every pound spent on other games would go to those.

They were wrong. It just meant they miss on money they could have got otherwise.

Mystery Lord of Wars, plural. Low chance of the Felblade/Glaive, high chance for Cerastus Acheron and Castigator. One new sprue for arms, shoulders and face for each to Cerastus hull sprues.

These galaxy brain takes trying to refute the very obvious epic confirmation are peak internet