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My point previously is that the character keyword is noted as being impossible to target in an attached unit, so if a leader grants its keywords to the unit, then every model is a character within an attached unit, therefore no one can be targeted.

 Hellebore wrote:
My point previously is that the character keyword is noted as being impossible to target in an attached unit, so if a leader grants its keywords to the unit, then every model is a character within an attached unit, therefore no one can be targeted.

well, no, becuase only the leader has the [character] keyword. so you could still allocate wounds to other members of the unit....and the whole unit would be more vulnerable to [anti-character] weapons, because reasons.

the models dont share keywords, just "the unit", as an entity separate form his consentient models.

look, i aggree its cray-cray, but that seems to be the plan.

I haven't actually seen any rules that say a leader combines their keywords with their unit though.

This is the argument being made, but there's no evidence that it's true.

 Hellebore wrote:
I haven't actually seen any rules that say a leader combines their keywords with their unit though.

This is the argument being made, but there's no evidence that it's true.

nor have i, but some sources, like goonhammer, seem to have seen something that supports it. my guess is its covered in the hardcopy of the 40k rulebook form the leviathan box, and they can't talk about that until GW releases them form thier NDA on that specific part, most likely when pre-order ends and people start receiving their copies.

certainly, they seem very sure of this, when they are openly vague on other parts, so i assume they have good reason to take this stance

always keep in mind that GW has written the rules to be used on a model by model basis

so you always check keywords on a model by model bases unless the rulebook say otherwise

if a step mentions that it checks against that unit, it is during that step only and for that the keywords are combined
if the next step lets you check against a single model, only the keywords on that models count

 kodos wrote:
always keep in mind that GW has written the rules to be used on a model by model basis

so you always check keywords on a model by model bases unless the rulebook say otherwise

if a step mentions that it checks against that unit, it is during that step only and for that the keywords are combined
if the next step lets you check against a single model, only the keywords on that models count

Add these two together:

This means it only applies to units that have the Infantry keyword on their datasheet.

- Keywords section

While a Bodyguard unit contains a Leader, it is known as an Attached unit and, with the exception of rules that are triggered when units are destroyed (pg 12), it is treated as a single unit for all rules purposes

- Leaders USR

As they are treated as 1 singular unit for ALL rules purposes, checking the individual model may not matter. The ability/USR/Keyword interactions are not clearly spelled out.

So here is a good breakdown of the current discussion that is also relevant to my interests:

The Astra Militarum Stormlord says it can carry 40 Astra Militarum Infantry models.

Lord Solar Leonatus does not have the Infantry Keyword (instead having Mounted, but can attach to a 20-man Infantry Squad as a bodyguard.

1) can that 21-strong unit with the Infantry and Mounted keywords embark on the Stormlord conventionally in the movement phase?

2) Can the Stormlord's special rule, Mount up! be used to embark the unit? (Rule for context is below).

Stormlord Datasheet wrote:Mount Up!: At the end of your opponent’s Movement phase,
if there are no models currently embarked within this
Transport, you can select one friendly Astra Militarum
Infantry unit (excluding Artillery units) that is wholly
within 6" of this Transport. Unless that unit is within
Engagement Range of one or more enemy units, it can embark
within this Transport.

Here's a problem that needs addressing: where's my Morkanaut's bloody KFF?

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
So here is a good breakdown of the current discussion that is also relevant to my interests:

The Astra Militarum Stormlord says it can carry 40 Astra Militarum Infantry models.

Lord Solar Leonatus does not have the Infantry Keyword (instead having Mounted, but can attach to a 20-man Infantry Squad as a bodyguard.

1) can that 21-strong unit with the Infantry and Mounted keywords embark on the Stormlord conventionally in the movement phase?

2) Can the Stormlord's special rule, Mount up! be used to embark the unit? (Rule for context is below).

Stormlord Datasheet wrote:Mount Up!: At the end of your opponent’s Movement phase,
if there are no models currently embarked within this
Transport, you can select one friendly Astra Militarum
Infantry unit (excluding Artillery units) that is wholly
within 6" of this Transport. Unless that unit is within
Engagement Range of one or more enemy units, it can embark
within this Transport.

i'd say you can't embark because the unit doesnt all have the infantry keyword, pretty simple

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
So here is a good breakdown of the current discussion that is also relevant to my interests:

The Astra Militarum Stormlord says it can carry 40 Astra Militarum Infantry models.

Lord Solar Leonatus does not have the Infantry Keyword (instead having Mounted, but can attach to a 20-man Infantry Squad as a bodyguard.

1) can that 21-strong unit with the Infantry and Mounted keywords embark on the Stormlord conventionally in the movement phase?

2) Can the Stormlord's special rule, Mount up! be used to embark the unit? (Rule for context is below).

Stormlord Datasheet wrote:Mount Up!: At the end of your opponent’s Movement phase,
if there are no models currently embarked within this
Transport, you can select one friendly Astra Militarum
Infantry unit (excluding Artillery units) that is wholly
within 6" of this Transport. Unless that unit is within
Engagement Range of one or more enemy units, it can embark
within this Transport.

No, because Leontus as a model does not have the Infantry keyword. Note that the Stormlord specifies Infantry Models rather than Infantry Units.

For the Mount up ability, I would say yes, but likely unintended.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
So here is a good breakdown of the current discussion that is also relevant to my interests:

The Astra Militarum Stormlord says it can carry 40 Astra Militarum Infantry models.

Lord Solar Leonatus does not have the Infantry Keyword (instead having Mounted, but can attach to a 20-man Infantry Squad as a bodyguard.

1) can that 21-strong unit with the Infantry and Mounted keywords embark on the Stormlord conventionally in the movement phase?

2) Can the Stormlord's special rule, Mount up! be used to embark the unit? (Rule for context is below).

Stormlord Datasheet wrote:Mount Up!: At the end of your opponent’s Movement phase,
if there are no models currently embarked within this
Transport, you can select one friendly Astra Militarum
Infantry unit (excluding Artillery units) that is wholly
within 6" of this Transport. Unless that unit is within
Engagement Range of one or more enemy units, it can embark
within this Transport.

i'd say you can't embark because the unit doesnt all have the infantry keyword, pretty simple

How would you know this?

Unless you just assume attached units don't share keywords, which answers the question in the thread!


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 Rihgu wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
So here is a good breakdown of the current discussion that is also relevant to my interests:

The Astra Militarum Stormlord says it can carry 40 Astra Militarum Infantry models.

Lord Solar Leonatus does not have the Infantry Keyword (instead having Mounted, but can attach to a 20-man Infantry Squad as a bodyguard.

1) can that 21-strong unit with the Infantry and Mounted keywords embark on the Stormlord conventionally in the movement phase?

2) Can the Stormlord's special rule, Mount up! be used to embark the unit? (Rule for context is below).

Stormlord Datasheet wrote:Mount Up!: At the end of your opponent’s Movement phase,
if there are no models currently embarked within this
Transport, you can select one friendly Astra Militarum
Infantry unit (excluding Artillery units) that is wholly
within 6" of this Transport. Unless that unit is within
Engagement Range of one or more enemy units, it can embark
within this Transport.

No, because Leontus as a model does not have the Infantry keyword. Note that the Stormlord specifies Infantry Models rather than Infantry Units.

For the Mount up ability, I would say yes, but likely unintended.

Okey dokey. Will use Mount Up! to embark Leonatus in the future.