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Got a look at this today. Admech was my most recent army before we all quit late 8th, so apologies if I am getting annoyed by nerfs that happened in 9th, but:

- all my troops units are now illegal, since you can only have 1 of each special weapon
- almost all BS dropped by a point, 3+ to 4+ for skitari, 2+ to 3+ for non-named characters

Kind of annoyed by this. the reduced BS can be allowed for if the points are cheaper, but I can't change the weapons on my painted and assembled models (and I don't want to reward this sort of behaviour buy buying more models to fix it - I can field about half my infantry models legally now). Imagine if these nerfs had happened to Space Marines what an outcry there would be!

Everything else looks OK so far, subject to points costs, though getting anything other than an insanely broken army special rule makes them lag behind the lucky indexes who DID get the brokenness.

I wonder what pain the Xenos will suffer in the next round of indexes.

Any other AdMech players out there? Does anyone want to contend that it's not so bad?

It could be worse?

We're still suffering for the sins of the War Convocation. Don't forget that not only did Skitarii BS drop, the armor value dropped too, and they even implemented a flat unit size cap!

Somehow I missed that. Very much a cheap horde army now, but even if it ends up priced as a horde (50/50 price will go up because GWBalance) I can't even field many guys. I am getting increasingly unmotivated about 10th.

The upside is that reorganizing your units actually won't be too hard. You might grab a few boxes to fill it...but trust me on this, it's still cheaper than a new army.

Oh, and at least it's better than when our Onagers went from Squadrons to Singles. I have eight of the blighters.

Realize too that if you're in one doctrine all of your weapons become "Heavy", so Remaining Stationary grants +1BS.

Make sure to email GW to let them know you're not pleased with what they did to the Skitarii unit entry.

They've already received several from me today, so no worries there.

 Kanluwen wrote:
They've already received several from me today, so no worries there.

Well, that's a good way to ensure your feedback gets exiled to the circular file.

Voss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
They've already received several from me today, so no worries there.

Well, that's a good way to ensure your feedback gets exiled to the circular file.

Probably, but I didn't want to just send a giant rant. I sent one for AdMech and one for Guard, both labeled independently.

Cheeslord wrote:
Got a look at this today. Admech was my most recent army before we all quit late 8th, so apologies if I am getting annoyed by nerfs that happened in 9th, but:

- all my troops units are now illegal, since you can only have 1 of each special weapon
- almost all BS dropped by a point, 3+ to 4+ for skitari, 2+ to 3+ for non-named characters

Kind of annoyed by this. the reduced BS can be allowed for if the points are cheaper, but I can't change the weapons on my painted and assembled models (and I don't want to reward this sort of behaviour buy buying more models to fix it - I can field about half my infantry models legally now). Imagine if these nerfs had happened to Space Marines what an outcry there would be!

Everything else looks OK so far, subject to points costs, though getting anything other than an insanely broken army special rule makes them lag behind the lucky indexes who DID get the brokenness.

I wonder what pain the Xenos will suffer in the next round of indexes.

Any other AdMech players out there? Does anyone want to contend that it's not so bad?

well, the changes to squad weapons happened back in 9th, and early 9th IRRC (may 2021, to be more precise), so most of us have had 2 years or more to get that out of our systems. it frustrated me too, so your not alone.

the BS changes are new, though they are both part of a game-wide reduction in lethality that has affected everyone to some degree, and we can still get BS3+ by being in Protector Imperative (which grants [heavy], which is now a +1 to hit if you stay still, rather than a -1 to hit if you move), so we can still shoot pretty straight.

I would believe in a "game wide reduction in lethality" if Space Marines did not get to delete their opponents best unit easily every turn with OoM, and didn't now get 4 attacks per model at AP-1 for using chainswords, Ignore Cover for dev squads, and so many other buffs...

Cheeslord wrote:
I would believe in a "game wide reduction in lethality" if Space Marines did not get to delete their opponents best unit easily every turn with OoM, and didn't now get 4 attacks per model at AP-1 for using chainswords, Ignore Cover for dev squads, and so many other buffs...

Those models that have 4 ap 1 attacks with chainswords probably had 5 attacks at ap 2 last edition though. No extra attack from shock assault and no extra ap from doctrine.

Blood Angels went from +1 to wound, +2 attacks on charge and +1 ap to just +1 attack and strength(when a lot of things got more toughness). So a BA model with chainsword lost 1 attack and now wounds t10+ on 6s with ap1 while in 9th they had 1 more attack and wounded most tanks on 4+ and t8 tanks on 5+ with ap2. With vehicles having more T and better save those chain swords are much worse than ever.

You didn't really see the ap 0 chainswords since the melee units mostly had astartes chainswords that had the 1ap on them and all the chainswords had 1 extra attack anyway.

Lethality might still be too high though but 4 ap 1 attacks with chainswords really isnt the problem if that is the case.

For all the Sisters lamentations I think (admittedly without expertise) Ad Mech look to be the most nerfed faction we've seen so far. If there aren't noticeable points reductions (which, given the cost of the kits, still kind of hurts) I think they could be dead on arrival.