What Characters Joining Which Units Would Break the Game

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**vipoid**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Tyran wrote:

On the other hand you had people arguing that Judiciars had a super Fight Last that overruled standard Fight First/Fight Last interactions because... to be honest I don't recall the actual wording argument but it was so stupid.

I mean, sure GW needs to write better rules but the community has proven that they need rules written by lawyers (now it is up to GW to hire some actual lawyers because their writers definitely didn't go to law school).

I mean, GW has done that before. High Elves in Fantasy had super Always Strikes First that overruled the normal interaction with Always Strikes Last (they would normally cancel out), so High Elves with great weapons still struck first.

Wasn't that just a core rule? If a model had both ASF and ASL, they cancelled out and the model just used its normal initiative (which usually meant the elf struck first).

**A Town Called Malus**

vipoid wrote:
A Town Called Malus wrote:
Tyran wrote:

On the other hand you had people arguing that Judiciars had a super Fight Last that overruled standard Fight First/Fight Last interactions because... to be honest I don't recall the actual wording argument but it was so stupid.

I mean, sure GW needs to write better rules but the community has proven that they need rules written by lawyers (now it is up to GW to hire some actual lawyers because their writers definitely didn't go to law school).

I mean, GW has done that before. High Elves in Fantasy had super Always Strikes First that overruled the normal interaction with Always Strikes Last (they would normally cancel out), so High Elves with great weapons still struck first.

Wasn't that just a core rule? If a model had both ASF and ASL, they cancelled out and the model just used its normal initiative (which usually meant the elf struck first).

Yes, that's how the normal interaction between ASF and ASL worked. But they wrote a bespoke ASF rule for High Elves in 7th edition and so High Elves always struck first, even if they had ASL weapons.

**Dai**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Tyran wrote:

On the other hand you had people arguing that Judiciars had a super Fight Last that overruled standard Fight First/Fight Last interactions because... to be honest I don't recall the actual wording argument but it was so stupid.

I mean, sure GW needs to write better rules but the community has proven that they need rules written by lawyers (now it is up to GW to hire some actual lawyers because their writers definitely didn't go to law school).

I mean, GW has done that before. High Elves in Fantasy had super Always Strikes First that overruled the normal interaction with Always Strikes Last (they would normally cancel out), so High Elves with great weapons still struck first.

AND got a re-roll to hit. Broken elvses

I loved it.

It is a good example of how glass hammer armies in these games are hard to do and why Eldar or Elves always seem to broken good or broken bad though. Sorry to go off topic but I think the simplification of the rules has only worsened this.