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I keep hearing how Olde Wirlde players will snatch this box up for Skaven but by all reports AoS outsells WHFB so I cant imagine New WHFB suddenly cannibalizing AoS.

We will see I guess.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I keep hearing how Olde Wirlde players will snatch this box up for Skaven but by all reports AoS outsells WHFB so I cant imagine New WHFB suddenly cannibalizing AoS.

We will see I guess.

At risk of being somewhat pedantic, that's not what sales cannibalisation is, it would only be cannibalisation if the TOW players were buying AoS Skaven instead of an army in the existing TOW range.

chaos0xomega wrote:

GrosseSax wrote:
I'll wait until its sitting alongside Dominion at $125.

I wouldn't. I imagine GW may cut back on production #s for those one after the glut of Dominion boxes. There's also a *lot* of TOW players who are going to try buying the box for skaven that may make it higher demand.

I still don't see how "a lot" of these people are going to drop triple figures on one part of a box and then have to piece out the rest. And that the army is for all intents and purposes dead for fantasy.

And I'm still not convinced skaven are actually that popular as an army. During my time playing fantasy, I think I came across like six different skaven armies over a ten year period.

 Baragash wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I keep hearing how Olde Wirlde players will snatch this box up for Skaven but by all reports AoS outsells WHFB so I cant imagine New WHFB suddenly cannibalizing AoS.

We will see I guess.

At risk of being somewhat pedantic, that's not what sales cannibalisation is, it would only be cannibalisation if the TOW players were buying AoS Skaven instead of an army in the existing TOW range.

Considering that the 'existing Old World range' consists of exactly three factions...

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I keep hearing how Olde Wirlde players will snatch this box up for Skaven but by all reports AoS outsells WHFB so I cant imagine New WHFB suddenly cannibalizing AoS.

We will see I guess.

If you're actually interested, waiting in the hope of clearance sales is a risk.

Regardless of the exact number of interested Old World players, it does add demand. Who knows if GW even figured that appeal in at all when they settled on how many boxes they produced.

I don't think I'd trust the same GW that underproduced one-off boxes for the last couple of years to make enough of this box regardless of other factors.

And as people say, Dominion didn't sell to expectations. To underline this, GW sold it on their own website on the first Warhammer Day at 50% off just to get rid of excess stock. A clearance sale like that from a company that simply doesn't do that doesn't inspire confidence that they'd be willing to overestimate demand once more.

Then there's the combination of strained production and FOMO as GW's standard MO.

Maybe they'll produce excessive amounts after all, but there's every reason to believe that it's not going to go that way.

They'll make a quarter of the amount of Dominion, hype it up so much that there's more customers than product...
AoS4 finally brings balance to the fomo.

Skaven side could be cool to add to my Island of Blood Skaven, but not at that asking price lol. I'll wait and see if the Skaven side comes down in price.

One thing I really dislike about buying GW is everything feels so low quality and effort. The boxes are like cereal box quality, cardboard tokens are poorly done on cheapo stock, all the miniatures sprues are just slapped in the box loose, then I have to spend a bunch of time assembling miniatures that only go together one way, the rules are fire and forget... it increasingly just feels like an IKEA experience at a luxury price point.

$265 is premium board game territory with sturdy, premium boxes, aesthetic tokens, nice card art, a fun game, 100+ crisp preassembled miniatures... Only thing it doesn't do is smash the WHFB nostalgia button for me.

 Gallahad wrote:
One thing I really dislike about buying GW is everything feels so low quality and effort. The boxes are like cereal box quality, cardboard tokens are poorly done on cheapo stock, all the miniatures sprues are just slapped in the box loose, then I have to spend a bunch of time assembling miniatures that only go together one way, the rules are fire and forget... it increasingly just feels like an IKEA experience at a luxury price point.

$265 is premium board game territory with sturdy, premium boxes, aesthetic tokens, nice card art, a fun game, 100+ crisp preassembled miniatures... Only thing it doesn't do is smash the WHFB nostalgia button for me.

The boxes used for the heavier starter sets (like this one will be) are made with thick card and are very sturdy, very much unlike cereal boxes. The sprues fit very snuggly, not "slapped in the box loose". Assembling miniatures is a massive part of the hobby, moaning about it just seems like moaning for the sake of moaning.

Also, it's nothing like Ikea, assembling a wardrobe and assembling miniatures really isn't comparable.

Yeah these limited box sets are far from a cereal box, the quality is there. I would also take any plastic hips for any other boardgame resin to be fair. Oh and preassembled cheap fits is as bad as it can be.

Rules we dont talk about that... but the rest does have quality guaranteed.

As someone who is interested in getting into AoS (including spearhead), but does not care for the two armies, is it worth trying to source the non-mini parts of this box? Or wait and grab things later?

My e-bay skills are weak, is there a good search tag to find the rules/tokens/cards in the box? I noticed some pre-order parts sales, but not for everything. Will more dump on the market after the actual release date?

 Nevelon wrote:
As someone who is interested in getting into AoS (including spearhead), but does not care for the two armies, is it worth trying to source the non-mini parts of this box? Or wait and grab things later?

My e-bay skills are weak, is there a good search tag to find the rules/tokens/cards in the box? I noticed some pre-order parts sales, but not for everything. Will more dump on the market after the actual release date?

Once the box's actually going on sale and shipping the stock on ebay and trade groups will grow a lot in that first week. The books are likely to be easy to get hold of because a lot of people will buying more than one boxed set and thus will have spares of the books. Otherwise I'd suggest checking out Facebook trade groups as well as ebay - a lot of trade for the hobby now happens through FB as ebay has more fees and forums are not as active as they once were

 Overread wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
As someone who is interested in getting into AoS (including spearhead), but does not care for the two armies, is it worth trying to source the non-mini parts of this box? Or wait and grab things later?

My e-bay skills are weak, is there a good search tag to find the rules/tokens/cards in the box? I noticed some pre-order parts sales, but not for everything. Will more dump on the market after the actual release date?

Once the box's actually going on sale and shipping the stock on ebay and trade groups will grow a lot in that first week. The books are likely to be easy to get hold of because a lot of people will buying more than one boxed set and thus will have spares of the books. Otherwise I'd suggest checking out Facebook trade groups as well as ebay - a lot of trade for the hobby now happens through FB as ebay has more fees and forums are not as active as they once were

In the first weeks I would pay attention for Ebay splits and FB trades since you probably can get those books for a fraction of the price for when they are actually released on their own.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/06/24/farewell-to-warscroll-builder/

Well there goes one of their best free warscrollbuilder aids. I imagine that the new version will be paid for as part of Warhammer+ and be an app paired with the launch.

Another Spearhead battle report

A new AoS app? Wow, this will be the third AoS app they release.

Anybody got the release list with prices yet?

 Hanskrampf wrote:
A new AoS app? Wow, this will be the third AoS app they release.

Anybody got the release list with prices yet?

It’s just 2 entries
AoS Skaventide €210
Skaventide hardback book (Black Library) €29

 DaveC wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:
A new AoS app? Wow, this will be the third AoS app they release.

Anybody got the release list with prices yet?

It’s just 2 entries
AoS Skaventide €210
Skaventide hardback book (Black Library) €29

Thanks!

 Overread wrote:
Well there goes one of their best free warscrollbuilder aids. I imagine that the new version will be paid for as part of Warhammer+ and be an app paired with the launch.

I use New Recruit to list build.

https://www.newrecruit.eu

Pretty slick.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
One thing I really dislike about buying GW is everything feels so low quality and effort. The boxes are like cereal box quality, cardboard tokens are poorly done on cheapo stock, all the miniatures sprues are just slapped in the box loose, then I have to spend a bunch of time assembling miniatures that only go together one way, the rules are fire and forget... it increasingly just feels like an IKEA experience at a luxury price point.

$265 is premium board game territory with sturdy, premium boxes, aesthetic tokens, nice card art, a fun game, 100+ crisp preassembled miniatures... Only thing it doesn't do is smash the WHFB nostalgia button for me.

The boxes used for the heavier starter sets (like this one will be) are made with thick card and are very sturdy, very much unlike cereal boxes. The sprues fit very snuggly, not "slapped in the box loose". Assembling miniatures is a massive part of the hobby, moaning about it just seems like moaning for the sake of moaning.

Also, it's nothing like Ikea, assembling a wardrobe and assembling miniatures really isn't comparable.

Do they use a different cardboard than the big Warcry boxes? Or the army boxes? All the Warcry big boxes and the Darkoath box I got aren't much more than glossy cereal boxes. I hope you are right and at least you guys will get a decent box for your $260 spend.

I think you've just been tricked into believing that assembling monopose minis is a "huge part of the hobby(tm)". It is a chore, and directly comparable to assembling a wardrobe in my opinion. Just something else you have to do before using the thing you bought. I really enjoyed assembling the old Empire militia kit and other kits from that era because they lent themselves to kitbashing and conversion. Now GW is just asking me to spend time assembling something that can frequently be bought for cheaper as a one piece 3d print. For me the lack of true options has turned the "build" into the "assembly chore". There is no benefit I can perceive to me spending my time assembling something that goes together one way over getting a single piece cast or print. In fact, there are only downsides for me.

But if you enjoy that process, good for you! GW will surely provide you many hours of hunting for numbered parts, clipping, filing and glueing in the future.

Not sure what cereal boxes you're used too, but i've got the darkoath box right here and it's a hell of a lot more solid than that.

But you sound like a direct case of "stop liking what i don't like."

assembling models is always a bit fun for me. like assembling legos. some kits suck, but for a lot of kits, especially modern ones, the process of putting it together is itself something i can enjoy

 Gallahad wrote:
Do they use a different cardboard than the big Warcry boxes? Or the army boxes? All the Warcry big boxes and the Darkoath box I got aren't much more than glossy cereal boxes. I hope you are right and at least you guys will get a decent box for your $260 spend.

Pre-Covid, all GW big game boxes were made of thicker cardstock than the current - the Warhammer Quest and original Warcry boxes are pretty thick - but now they've downgraded the quality on everything save for the banner main game release sets.

Imagine a cereal box card like the Leviathan, truly epic...

Snap fits models are popular and less and less exclusive to these big box sets but they do make sense for many reasons... weirdly enough I have seen many seasoned veterans saying they cannot convert anymore, I mean, maybe its our age playing up with your memory but hell, we come from single part metals and THAT did not stop us in the slightest.
Not really a good argument.

Have there been leaks for the starter sets contents yet?

 Gallahad wrote:

Do they use a different cardboard than the big Warcry boxes? Or the army boxes? All the Warcry big boxes and the Darkoath box I got aren't much more than glossy cereal boxes. I hope you are right and at least you guys will get a decent box for your $260 spend.

To be fair to GW the game boxes - like Leviathan - are proper hard boxes. If this is a concern then just check with an unboxing video of the product before handing over the money.

Being put under a Voight-Kampff, I'd answer truthfully that I can build furniture much faster than GW miniatures. Removing components from sprues isn't a problem but smoothing down the plastic cuts after that process is fragile and time consuming work. And whether it's peeling spuds, whittling wood, settling duels between the Great Houses of the Landsradd, or fending off female assassins who pretend to be my wife but really working for Vilos Cohaagen, I'm quite handy with a hobby knife.


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 skrulnik wrote:
Have there been leaks for the starter sets contents yet?

Interested in this myself, but hoping that the Knight Questor makes it to the front cover of the getting started magazine, maybe along with some suitably evil looking Skaven chap who also does his own thing but answers only to the Horned Rat, instead of Sigmar.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Not sure what cereal boxes you're used too, but i've got the darkoath box right here and it's a hell of a lot more solid than that.

But you sound like a direct case of "stop liking what i don't like."

Some of the big boxes are "cereal" (same as Start Collecting! boxes etc) including the latest Kill Team - Nightmare

 skrulnik wrote:
Have there been leaks for the starter sets contents yet?

Not leaks, but official publication. Its all pver Warhammer community

No, we haven't seen any starters yet, only the launch box.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 skrulnik wrote:
Have there been leaks for the starter sets contents yet?

Not leaks, but official publication. Its all pver Warhammer community

I think they mean the non-limited 3 tier starter sets, as opposed to the LAUNCH BOX that GW has been hyping.