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They're pretty obviously real, that Knight Arcanum sculpt is completely new and isn't even the same gender as the main model.

I think they're a nice enough set, but unlike the previous ones the odds printed on them suggest that the "buy a box and get one of everything guaranteed" is gone, because the Knight Arcanum is listed as 1:24. That sucks.

 Matrindur wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Some are still sitting pretty on 0 releases apart from token heroes since WHFB ended.

I don't think this is actually true? The army with the lowest number of new kits since AoS started is Ogors and not counting their two UW warbands even they got a new unit (Gorgor Mawpack) together with their two token heroes and a terrain piece.
Everyone else got at least 1 real wave of stuff. Sure for some that was in 1st edition and just token heroes afterwards but still during AoS

Do Dispossessed and Dark Elves count?

Managed to locate a few more pics. And if the site is to believed, 7 euros a box.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
I don't think this is actually true? The army with the lowest number of new kits since AoS started is Ogors and not counting their two UW warbands even they got a new unit (Gorgor Mawpack) together with their two token heroes and a terrain piece.
Everyone else got at least 1 real wave of stuff. Sure for some that was in 1st edition and just token heroes afterwards but still during AoS

Gorgers are functionally the same as WHU teams and going Legends in 3 years, not exactly an army sized dump. Skaven getting theirs just now, 9 years in, FEC a couple months ago. Most of these can count on another 9 years until they're looked at again, after another 3 waves of SCE.

It's not 40k bad, but there are folks in AoS seeing one faction getting more than triple the stuff of their faction.

the only faction that had their Warcry warbands go to legends were StD. Stormcast kept theirs, DoK kept theirs, Fyreslayers kept theirs, Seraphon kept theirs, Lumineth kept theirs, Khorne kept theirs, Tzeentch kept theirs, Nurgle kept theirs, Darkoath kept theirs, FEC kept theirs, Nighthaunt kept theirs, Soulblight kept theirs, and Orruks kept theirs. i know people want to be cycnical about GW sending units to legends, but there's no reason to think Warcry warbands will be sent to legends outside of the one case of the StD cultist bands

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Gorgers are functionally the same as WHU teams and going Legends in 3 years, not exactly an army sized dump. Skaven getting theirs just now, 9 years in, FEC a couple months ago. Most of these can count on another 9 years until they're looked at again, after another 3 waves of SCE.

It's not 40k bad, but there are folks in AoS seeing one faction getting more than triple the stuff of their faction.

Don't see why Gorgers shouldn't count as they were a normal unit before that just got refreshed through Warcry instead of a normal release? Warcry releases aren't the same as Underworlds releases. Underworlds warbands just got AoS rules to crossmarket which stopped this edition while Warcry actually refreshes normal AoS units just through a different channel.

And I didn't say other factions shouldn't get their time in the sun instead of Stormcast just that your "0 releases apart from token heroes since WHFB" isn't really true

As a Idoneth and Fyreslayer collector I of course also want an actual wave for them after 9 years

Ah, I was under the impression Warcry units weren't real boy units because they can't be reinforced, even when there's no composition reason (like a caster or named hero) and they're coded as bog standard units (River Guard, Chameleon Skinks, Gorgers...). I still feel like that sets them apart as something tacked on that might disappear when GW feels like it, and GW is kinda hinting you don't want to buy multiples, even if they can currently be taken.

 The Phazer wrote:
They're pretty obviously real, that Knight Arcanum sculpt is completely new and isn't even the same gender as the main model.

I think they're a nice enough set, but unlike the previous ones the odds printed on them suggest that the "buy a box and get one of everything guaranteed" is gone, because the Knight Arcanum is listed as 1:24. That sucks.

GW testing if people are willing to buy multiple boxes to get the set, rather than content to buy just one box.

Shame there's no pictures of them wearing their helmets.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
I don't think this is actually true? The army with the lowest number of new kits since AoS started is Ogors and not counting their two UW warbands even they got a new unit (Gorgor Mawpack) together with their two token heroes and a terrain piece.
Everyone else got at least 1 real wave of stuff. Sure for some that was in 1st edition and just token heroes afterwards but still during AoS

Gorgers are functionally the same as WHU teams and going Legends in 3 years, not exactly an army sized dump. Skaven getting theirs just now, 9 years in, FEC a couple months ago. Most of these can count on another 9 years until they're looked at again, after another 3 waves of SCE.

It's not 40k bad, but there are folks in AoS seeing one faction getting more than triple the stuff of their faction.

the only faction that had their Warcry warbands go to legends were StD. Stormcast kept theirs, DoK kept theirs, Fyreslayers kept theirs, Seraphon kept theirs, Lumineth kept theirs, Khorne kept theirs, Tzeentch kept theirs, Nurgle kept theirs, Darkoath kept theirs, FEC kept theirs, Nighthaunt kept theirs, Soulblight kept theirs, and Orruks kept theirs. i know people want to be cycnical about GW sending units to legends, but there's no reason to think Warcry warbands will be sent to legends outside of the one case of the StD cultist bands

Yeah the STD was painful but understandable as they were a LOT of different units all in the same kind of role slot. Flavourful but overwhelming.
It's a kind of shame that GW never made them all the same base size so that they could just "counts as marauders"

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Managed to locate a few more pics. And if the site is to believed, 7 euros a box.

Something to note that was just pointed out to me, it looks like these will be Warcry compatible as there's images of warcry card stats in the top right.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Managed to locate a few more pics. And if the site is to believed, 7 euros a box.

Something to note that was just pointed out to me, it looks like these will be Warcry compatible as there's images of warcry card stats in the top right.

the warcry equivalent of Strike Force Justinian

Stormcasts incoming:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/19/the-nova-open-is-incoming-get-ready-for-more-warhammer-reveals/

Not in love with this "reveal show for 1 thing every 2 weeks" thing that's going on now

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Not in love with this "reveal show for 1 thing every 2 weeks" thing that's going on now

Eh I'm content with it. Big shows were flashy and got lots of hype; but then you enter the long wait where there's no fresh hype news for ages and half the stuff from the show isn't even out yet.


Of course if you collect or are interested in very little having more smaller shows can make it feel like you're waiting even longer for stuff to happen; whilst at least with the big ones you can more easily get caught up in some of the hype.

I'm more interested in the road-maps honestly. I want to know where Underworlds and Warcry are going forwards.

I wonder if SCE will get mostly Thunderstriked old ones or mostly new additions?

I find it tiresome, like a kid who wants attention all the time. Let me absorb it all at once and then have 3 months off to think about other games pls.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I'm more interested in the road-maps honestly. I want to know where Underworlds and Warcry are going forwards.

There were rumours that they are going squatted or was that all some 4chan bs?

People need to stop repeating this junk. Ever since Spearhead came out, it just keeps repeating.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
People need to stop repeating this junk. Ever since Spearhead came out, it just keeps repeating.

It's unfortunate, but GW has kind of earned this reputation. Models, armies, and even whole game systems can be dropped. If I were a very risk averse consumer, I would focus my hobby dollars only on armies/systems with clear roadmaps for support.

We live in a world where GW stopped support of its oldest and second biggest game to reboot it, and where they have cut out units for Space Marines, the absolute poster boys of the hobby, that have had rules since the late 80s. If GW were to cancel Warcry or Underworlds (or Necromunda or Bloodbowl or Dark Eldar or FW units or whatever) they will just... do it. Even MESBG, a game that's been on the backburner for (checks watch) two decades gets consistent updates, rules, and news.

Warcry is interesting because V1 was clearly meant to have a fantasy necromunda vibe, focusing on the chaos mosh pit and being pretty detached from AOS. V2 focused more on faction specific warbands, and as the edition has moved forward they have become more obviously just units for AOS armies. While that's disappointing for the true fans, it gives Warcry a lot more runway as much like kill team the game does not need to stand on it's own merits, but can do double duty.

Underworlds is fascinating, because while it seems to have very little footprint as a game, the models are pretty popular for either alt sulpts or just for painting. Still, I do not know what keeps it in business, unless it's a ton of people playing in their kitchens with friends and family. In which case, god bless you, because Underwolds has lead to some really neat models.

 The Phazer wrote:
Shame there's no pictures of them wearing their helmets.

At least the one sprue pic we have shows a helmet option.

Well Underworlds gets anywhere from a 30-40 attendance at WHW for weekly tournaments, so there certainly is a player base.

Warcry is coming to the end of it's current run judging by the latest book. I'd say there's one more gnarlwood box that will finish up that plot-line and then i would expect a new edition to bring it into Aqshy with the main game.

I mean, take this as you will?

very possible that we get a teaser, like sort sort of 15 second video where they hunt at the new theme of the season, and not more than that

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well Underworlds gets anywhere from a 30-40 attendance at WHW for weekly tournaments, so there certainly is a player base.

Warcry is coming to the end of it's current run judging by the latest book. I'd say there's one more gnarlwood box that will finish up that plot-line and then i would expect a new edition to bring it into Aqshy with the main game.

I'm calling my shot, I'm just saying I understand people feeling skittish.

Personally Warcry is an excellent game that more people should try. It's fun and fast while still being strategic.

I feel like Warcry is stuck.
On the one hand its a great game in itself and its a great "one box gets you go with a faction" game

However when the models get brought into AoS the different sculpts, designs and base sizes kind of mess with making them work as simple easy to use army units. And GW doesn't want to make them a box of units, leaders, heroes and named characters because then the price is WAY too low compared to how they normally price such things.

That said the only faction that was "harmed" by this was Slaves to Darkness and only because they had so many options; most other armies have had either nothing or only 1 squad and honestly ones like the DoK set are a great addition for both games

I think GW wanted Warcry to be its own thing but players didn't let it, we wanted full compatibility with AoS, both directions, and we tore a nice enough game down to just another line of mediocre bundle deals.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think GW wanted Warcry to be its own thing but players didn't let it, we wanted full compatibility with AoS, both directions, and we tore a nice enough game down to just another line of mediocre bundle deals.

I think making the OG starter a splash release didn't help, but yeah, people just didn't want to play chaos gang fights. honestly a shame.

A full season of meat trees and bamboo platforms was also a bold choice. I like it, but it's not for everybody.

 Polonius wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think GW wanted Warcry to be its own thing but players didn't let it, we wanted full compatibility with AoS, both directions, and we tore a nice enough game down to just another line of mediocre bundle deals.

I think making the OG starter a splash release didn't help, but yeah, people just didn't want to play chaos gang fights. honestly a shame.

A full season of meat trees and bamboo platforms was also a bold choice. I like it, but it's not for everybody.

they spent two full years in bamboo land, when KT has been a lot quicker to change up its terrain. wonder if we might see warcry follow in that path, or if whatever new terrain we get will be sticking around for another two years

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think GW wanted Warcry to be its own thing but players didn't let it, we wanted full compatibility with AoS, both directions, and we tore a nice enough game down to just another line of mediocre bundle deals.

This.

It was originally marketed and announced as being focused on chaos factions fighting it out in the eight points, and there were comments made stating that it was distinct from AoS and not to expect the factions from AoS to show up.

What did the community do? They went, "But what about *insert x faction here*? The game seems cool but I'll wait until you release my faction before I play it." And it was all downhill from there.

We coulda had basically reverse Mordheim type experience out of it exploring a focused segment of the setting in a very distinct way with some really wild stuff. Instead the community ruined it abd made it a generic and somewhat pointless sublime that's been used as an excuse to deliver DLC content cut from the battletomes. great job guys.

Same as the reaction to Legions Imperialis anf Horus Heresy basically, except thevspecialist studio actually has a spine. "Waaaahhhhh I wanna play with orks and Eldar because my personality is intrinsically tied to a fictional race of aliens that only exists in a single IP but I need to try to parallel and shoehorn them into every other IP because I have no imagination and am too psychologically fragile to let myself experience new things."