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I hope 40k never adopts the my least favorite esthetic from Fantasy/AoS:

"You can tell how powerful I am based on the height of my hat!"

40K uses Pauldrons instead (though not half as much as Warmachine!)

 GaroRobe wrote:

How on earth did someone sneak a Mantic Basillean into a GW preview?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I hope 40k never adopts the my least favorite esthetic from Fantasy/AoS:

"You can tell how powerful I am based on the height of my hat!"

Have you not seen Eldar?


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 Dryaktylus wrote:

I don't like the Deredeo that much, but it IS based on the SC Dreadnought. How the weapons are attached, the heavy bolters at the front and no close combat weapons at all. And that daemon mask isn't the head unless you believe that there was some really strange positioning of the inhabitant.

At best it's 'inspired by' rather than 'based on'.

I'll grant you the bolters, but beyond that it has more in common with the Contemptor than it does the SC Dread. The other weapons do not attach at all the same way, and the shape of the body is completely different, made more obvious by the head - the face on the front of the SC dread is most certainly not where the marine's head is, but it's also not sticking up out the top of the carapace. It has Contemptor legs rather than the reverse articulation and rounded limbs of the original, its proportions are completely different... It's not an update, it's a weapons platform sharing a vaguely similar design space, if you squint hard enough.

That said, a truer update of the original would have also looked out of place in the current Marine line up.

 Dryaktylus wrote:


I don't like the Deredeo that much, but it IS based on the SC Dreadnought. How the weapons are attached, the heavy bolters at the front and no close combat weapons at all. And that daemon mask isn't the head unless you believe that there was some really strange positioning of the inhabitant.

Why couldn't there be some really strange positioning?
Dreads contain (some amount of) a mostly dead, catastrophically injured, marine.
How much marine is required to power a dread?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I hope 40k never adopts the my least favorite esthetic from Fantasy/AoS:

"You can tell how powerful I am based on the height of my hat!"

Phoenix lords already got that covered

My thoughts on the reveals:
40k: Death Korps of Krieg in plastic! Very cool even if I have no nostalgia for the old army. I might grab that army set and finally build up my Astra Militarum into a full army.
AoS: New Gitz models are really cool, but I'm not starting an army of them. Glad Kruleboyz are getting something even if it isn't what I want. Ironjawz Spearhead looks nice.
HH: More classic models are getting plastic treatment. Very neat. I'm not about to start playing HH though.
Old World: Empire is getting most of their old range back, eh? Probably my least favorite range from old WHFB if I'm honest, but if others like it then I'm happy for them.
40k part 2: Now this is how you revamp a range! All of the new aspects and their Phoenix Lords look amazing. Not enough to make me start an Aeldari army but it'll be fun to face them on the tabletop.

Quick thought, Krieg are about 15 years late for me to care.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Quick thought, Krieg are about 15 years late for me to care.

I'd like, from my experience, a decent game to play them in.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I hope 40k never adopts the my least favorite esthetic from Fantasy/AoS:

"You can tell how powerful I am based on the height of my hat!"

I'll take it over "you can see I'm a leader because I'm the one not wearing a helmet".
Isn't wearing a fancy hat or helmet how commanders have frequently been recognizable on the battlefield historically?
Admittedly, some were a bit extravagant, owing to already over-the-top designs in heroic scale for basic troops and thus requiring even more exaggerated versions for leaders. Yes, looking at you High Elves. There's no way those puny Toughness 3 necks could hold up a helm the size (and presumably weight) of their entire body...

That was a really great preview all around. Especially fond of the Eldars!

The Gits look really nice to me, but its problematic they have a design that dont play well with the established lore, design and size of gloomspite. Gloomspites hate the sun, and these guys have the evil sun design all over. They even look strange next to the fairly new snarlfang wolfriders.

It also feels like AoS go back to the crazy over the top design they been toning down previous edition for more generic and realistic releases like Soulblight, CoS, FEC or Darkoath (even most skaven I would argue).

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
I'd like, from my experience, a decent game to play them in.

I hear OPR Grimdark Future is pretty nice.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
I'd like, from my experience, a decent game to play them in.

I hear OPR Grimdark Future is pretty nice.

The best thing about OPR is that you can take your warhammer models and pitch them against a huge range of other armies and model ranges. Whilst you might have to craft your own world story to fit it; from a purely "I want to play with my collection" aspect its fantastic.

 Fayric wrote:
The Gits look really nice to me, but its problematic they have a design that dont play well with the established lore, design and size of gloomspite. Gloomspites hate the sun, and these guys have the evil sun design all over. They even look strange next to the fairly new snarlfang wolfriders.

In the video, they did mention how these new ladz hate the sun, and use the symbol to taunt it, and items to capture it.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So, overall.

Substantial reveals, some real crowd pleasers, and minimal waffle.

Contender for best preview show to date?

I don't know about best "to date", but certainly the best recent preview event. Actually felt like it lived up to at least some degree of hype.

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Quick thought, Krieg are about 15 years late for me to care.

I'd like, from my experience, a decent game to play them in.

I'd like a game where the options I choose matter and impact the game more significantly.

that's an odd criticism for 10th edition. choices still do matter, quite a lot in fact. it's just that there's a lot less of them, and sometimes the choices can be a bit obvious.

I love most of these new models!

I have a quibble with the Gitz.
Just like the Kruleboyz, they have no fingernails/claws, and it makes them look unfinished.
Hobgrots have nasty talons, but these have playdoh fingertips.

 Overread wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
I'd like, from my experience, a decent game to play them in.

I hear OPR Grimdark Future is pretty nice.

The best thing about OPR is that you can take your warhammer models and pitch them against a huge range of other armies and model ranges. Whilst you might have to craft your own world story to fit it; from a purely "I want to play with my collection" aspect its fantastic.

One last comment, so I don't derail this thread -- OPR is pure fun, and hobby focused, and I love that. Not enough crunch to it to catch the dedication of my game group, unfortunately. that's on me.

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
I'd like, from my experience, a decent game to play them in.

I hear OPR Grimdark Future is pretty nice.

The best thing about OPR is that you can take your warhammer models and pitch them against a huge range of other armies and model ranges. Whilst you might have to craft your own world story to fit it; from a purely "I want to play with my collection" aspect its fantastic.

One last comment, so I don't derail this thread -- OPR is pure fun, and hobby focused, and I love that. Not enough crunch to it to catch the dedication of my game group, unfortunately. that's on me.

Try showing the advanced rules - there's a good bit of complex crunch in them

 Dryaktylus wrote:
And that daemon mask isn't the head unless you believe that there was some really strange positioning of the inhabitant.

That’s not how Dreadnought designs work. The inhabitant was depicted in the original technical cut through as in a fluid sac with sensory inputs and life support. There’s no direct relationship to the suit’s ‘head’ any more than there is to the arms and legs.


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 Overread wrote:


Try showing the advanced rules - there's a good bit of complex crunch in them

I suspect that you, like GW, are conflating complexity with depth.

3 quick questions.

1. Has anyone been watching the Warhammer World Tourney on Twitch?

2. What is OPR?

3. Can you imagine had bad it would to be if you were all in one piece and then shoved into a Dreadnought...? (Some Custodes who screwed up would volunteer to be a Dreadnought.)

OPR = One Page Rules

It has more than one page now, but it basically grew as an alternate rules system to run GW models with. They've exploded in popularity since the Pandemic because they got into 3D printing and created their own armies and several other 3D model makers are now making rules for OPR. So right now its as close to a "DnD" style open system as wargaming has had in a long while (at least for fantasy/scifi). Whilst being diverse and popular rather than an open system that's basically at the "One guy in a garage and 40 customers worldwide"

 Overread wrote:
OPR = One Page Rules

It has more than one page now, but it basically grew as an alternate rules system to run GW models with. They've exploded in popularity since the Pandemic because they got into 3D printing and created their own armies and several other 3D model makers are now making rules for OPR. So right now its as close to a "DnD" style open system as wargaming has had in a long while (at least for fantasy/scifi). Whilst being diverse and popular rather than an open system that's basically at the "One guy in a garage and 40 customers worldwide"

"Exploded in popularity" OPR fans are always a hoot.

Are you offering anything that indicates this might not be the case?

OPR Patreon has 34,613 members. I don't currently see an indication of how many of them are in a paying tier, but until recently Patreon showed creators' revenue and it was around 10k a month for OPR last time I saw it.

Now remember... I've been living under a rock for a decade... in a cave... under the sea (pineapples cost too much to maintain)... so please be nice when I ask this obvious question....


OPR Patreon?

OPR is the biggest Patreon in the 3D printing market and its interest has grown beyond that since they opened up their rules for other creators to use to make rules for their own armies.

Sure its not "GW BIG", no one else is GW big. However OPR has grown a huge amount over the last few years to the point where most people have now heard of it even if they've not played. Plus because you can use GW models you can more easily gather local interest because people don't have to buy a new army ;they can jump right in with their existing 40K/AoS/OW models.


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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Now remember... I've been living under a rock for a decade... in a cave... under the sea (pineapples cost too much to maintain)... so please be nice when I ask this obvious question....


OPR Patreon?

https://www.patreon.com/c/onepagerules

Patreon is a website where you can pay small amounts each month to support creators. For 3d printing this typically resolves as paying a small amount per month and getting STLs (digital models files to print) for that month (which on 99.0% of them you keep once you get them so even if you unsub you an still print them).

Edit: Removed.

How do you type so fast?