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With endless possibilities for conversions and paint jobs, it's possible to make any army look the way you want to, so I have to say no on this one.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
With endless possibilities for conversions and paint jobs, it's possible to make any army look the way you want to, so I have to say no on this one.

It's hard for me to agree on the Nurgle/Death Guard aspect, as I am a little icked by the pustules and the spilled intestines look.

Also...

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I think my list would be Thousand Sons, Blood Ravens, Custodes, and Chaos Knights.

I can't imagine why anyone want to would play those armies...

I feel attacked.

I'm sorry.

I won't ever play Chaos. Any Chaos, whether it be CSM, daemons, or any of the four chaos legions. I'm just not comfortable with it, because they're evil, and the rest of the factions are more or less neutral good.

Let me explain - obviously the Imperium does a lot of "bad" stuff, like killing off whole planets of its citizens, destroying star systems, obliterating alien races, etc. But the Imperium exists for the protection of mankind, not aliens, or the galaxy, or any one specific human. What the Imperial forces do is intended to bring about the best possible result for humanity, based on the information the decision-makers have. Are individual imperial officers, leaders, representatives self-interested? Sure. Are they expressly evil, with the intent of maximizing the bad outcomes in the universe? No, they're at worst completely self-interested (chaotic neutral) or even unfeeling arbiters based on their code (true neutral). Most individual soldiers for the imperium are probably chaotic good, doing the best they can to bring about good things for those whom they care about, or even neutral good, wanting to do good whether it involves following orders or disobeying leadership. The worst of the worst are probably lawful neutral, just doing what they're told in order to uphold the system and not caring about the moral impact of their actions.

Whereas Chaos, well, everyone on the Chaos side is intent on bringing about death, misery, destruction, pain, suffering and bad things. The best CSM is lawful neutral and just following his legion because he doesn't know what else to do, and the worst of the worst are neutral evil, betraying other chaos followers in order to improve their own chances, but always with the goal of creating misery, death, and suffering to the creatures in realspace.

 dadx6 wrote:
I won't ever play Chaos. Any Chaos, whether it be CSM, daemons, or any of the four chaos legions. I'm just not comfortable with it, because they're evil, and the rest of the factions are more or less neutral good.

Spoiler:

Let me explain - obviously the Imperium does a lot of "bad" stuff, like killing off whole planets of its citizens, destroying star systems, obliterating alien races, etc. But the Imperium exists for the protection of mankind, not aliens, or the galaxy, or any one specific human. What the Imperial forces do is intended to bring about the best possible result for humanity, based on the information the decision-makers have. Are individual imperial officers, leaders, representatives self-interested? Sure. Are they expressly evil, with the intent of maximizing the bad outcomes in the universe? No, they're at worst completely self-interested (chaotic neutral) or even unfeeling arbiters based on their code (true neutral). Most individual soldiers for the imperium are probably chaotic good, doing the best they can to bring about good things for those whom they care about, or even neutral good, wanting to do good whether it involves following orders or disobeying leadership. The worst of the worst are probably lawful neutral, just doing what they're told in order to uphold the system and not caring about the moral impact of their actions.

Whereas Chaos, well, everyone on the Chaos side is intent on bringing about death, misery, destruction, pain, suffering and bad things. The best CSM is lawful neutral and just following his legion because he doesn't know what else to do, and the worst of the worst are neutral evil, betraying other chaos followers in order to improve their own chances, but always with the goal of creating misery, death, and suffering to the creatures in realspace.

Our interpretations of the fluff seem to differ extremely because to me the Imperium is too evil to ever play it, whereas Chaos is evil too, but at least in its first steps it starts as resistance to the Imperium and it's too "out there" or fantastical to draw comparisons to real life. The Imperium, to me, is too close to real life evils to consider playing it. Religious fanatism, Hitler, Pol Pot dialed up to 11 is everyday imperium while Chaos is just over the top comic book villain when badly written, or Revolution gone bad when better written. Therefor if I ever used Guard rules it would always be for Traitor guard, if I built Admech it would be Dark Mech and if I ever collected Primaris I'd paint them as Alpha Legion.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 dadx6 wrote:
I won't ever play Chaos. Any Chaos, whether it be CSM, daemons, or any of the four chaos legions. I'm just not comfortable with it, because they're evil, and the rest of the factions are more or less neutral good.

Spoiler:

Let me explain - obviously the Imperium does a lot of "bad" stuff, like killing off whole planets of its citizens, destroying star systems, obliterating alien races, etc. But the Imperium exists for the protection of mankind, not aliens, or the galaxy, or any one specific human. What the Imperial forces do is intended to bring about the best possible result for humanity, based on the information the decision-makers have. Are individual imperial officers, leaders, representatives self-interested? Sure. Are they expressly evil, with the intent of maximizing the bad outcomes in the universe? No, they're at worst completely self-interested (chaotic neutral) or even unfeeling arbiters based on their code (true neutral). Most individual soldiers for the imperium are probably chaotic good, doing the best they can to bring about good things for those whom they care about, or even neutral good, wanting to do good whether it involves following orders or disobeying leadership. The worst of the worst are probably lawful neutral, just doing what they're told in order to uphold the system and not caring about the moral impact of their actions.

Whereas Chaos, well, everyone on the Chaos side is intent on bringing about death, misery, destruction, pain, suffering and bad things. The best CSM is lawful neutral and just following his legion because he doesn't know what else to do, and the worst of the worst are neutral evil, betraying other chaos followers in order to improve their own chances, but always with the goal of creating misery, death, and suffering to the creatures in realspace.

Our interpretations of the fluff seem to differ extremely because to me the Imperium is too evil to ever play it, whereas Chaos is evil too, but at least in its first steps it starts as resistance to the Imperium and it's too "out there" or fantastical to draw comparisons to real life. The Imperium, to me, is too close to real life evils to consider playing it. Religious fanatism, Hitler, Pol Pot dialed up to 11 is everyday imperium while Chaos is just over the top comic book villain when badly written, or Revolution gone bad when better written. Therefor if I ever used Guard rules it would always be for Traitor guard, if I built Admech it would be Dark Mech and if I ever collected Primaris I'd paint them as Alpha Legion.

Be careful with those Alpha Legion folks, some are still loyal to the Emperor. (According to the BL Novels).

That's why I like the Knights, older than the Imperium, and allied with it, not a part of it.

Sure, they're insane feudal Lords who drank the Arthurian Kool-aid and talk to their ancestors through giant stompy robots... but it's a take on mecha that I haven't really seen.

But they aren't intrinsically evil like the rest of the Imperium, just socially backwards, with too much firepower at their disposal.

Squats, or whatever they're called now. The models look like the sort of cheap, generic vaguely sci-fi toys I could pick up in Poundland.

Slaanesh unless I invest heavily in alternative models. I like the playstyle and some of the mechanics. However, it's the sort of army I'd just be embarrassed to own.

'Oh these? These are my Beasts of Slaanesh, complete with a row of exposed breasts and fully decked out in BDSM gear. Wait, where are you going? Don't you want to see the rest of the army?'

 vipoid wrote:

'Oh these? These are my Beasts of Slaanesh, complete with a row of exposed breasts and fully decked out in BDSM gear. Wait, where are you going? Don't you want to see the rest of the army?'

I'd be more afraid if they did stick around and want to see the rest of your army.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
With endless possibilities for conversions and paint jobs, it's possible to make any army look the way you want to, so I have to say no on this one.

It's hard for me to agree on the Nurgle/Death Guard aspect, as I am a little icked by the pustules and the spilled intestines look.

You could cut away the mutations that you don't like. Another idea would be to go for an industrial theme and paint the guts in a metallic theme to make them look like they're cables instead of intestines.

Orks, Marines and Custodes.

Orks never appealed to me, and still haven't.

Marines and Custodes don't really interest me with the way they're portrayed in lore.

anything but imperial guards. never play and don't think would play something except guards
Don't feel like something could be cooler then mere mortal in the universe of superhumans, demons and gods

 dadx6 wrote:
But the Imperium exists for the protection of mankind, not aliens, or the galaxy, or any one specific human.

The Imperium exists for the protection of the Imperium, which is not the same thing as Mankind. And it is absolutely focused on the protection of one specific human (of course, whether or not he's actually human is a separate debate). They can - and will - sacrifice anyone and anything to protect Terra. And let's not forget that 1000 psykers a day die to feed the Golden Throne. Also: you can't be murderously xenophobic and NOT be evil. The Imperium may not be mustache-twirling Evil, but they're pretty damn evil.

I've always disliked elves regardless of setting, so aeldari are off my list, the only thing I am remotely interested in are Incubi but that's more for their aesthetic than anything else and certainly it's not enough for me to consider starting an army over.

Genestealer Cults and Tyranids are another two factions I'm not crazy about, one lacks the vehicles that I like that breaks up the monotony of infantry and the other I'm not a huge fan of playing insurgency type factions (part of the reason why I dislike rebels in Star Wars compared to the Empire).

I'm pretty much also against playing the vast majority of Chaos factions, particularly the Slaaneshi ones. The only one that would be interesting for me would be Iron Warriors but I feel like 30K would make more sense to actually get an accurate feel of playing their kind of siege warfare that the current CSM codex can't really provide.

Loyalists wise, I primarily would not play Space Wolves, partially due to their aesthetic (Wulfen, Murderfang and Thunderwolf Cav just look silly and too Wolfy Mcwolf wolf over the Vikings they're supposed to be) but also just fluff wise they come off as incredibly grating as marines+1 and how hypocritical they were at least in the Heresy.

Imperial Knights are also something I wouldn't get into, despite being a big fan of Dred Mob, partly because I find the playstyle too polarizing and I'm not a huge fan of Knight designs.

Knights as a solo faction.

I've always been of the mind that they should have stayed as an Apoc (and that should have been supported better overall as a game mode) and they mess up the game balance like crazy. I know they will never not be a faction and that is what it is, but they are not for me.

I do own a Knight Castellan, and I'll run him as a freeblade is some lists (usually Imperial Agents) but I wouldn't run Knights as an army.

I've never been super into the Black Templars.

I've played most 40k factions and own armies for virtually all of them (before the current paradigm), but not the BTs.

Marines are dystopian enough, I'm not keen on the version that is unironically turning being the fanatical zealots up to 11.

Plus, everyone chose them when they were released with the salamanders for Armageddon, because they had nothing but buffs and the salamanders actually had downsides (I3 was pretty bad on a marine), so I went with the underdog. Managed to collect a whole company of salamanders, with names and honour roll for all of them. Back when they were less competitive and the BTs were straight up better.

* MKX Tacticus or MKX Phobos marines
* Necrons (excluding Canoptek-only armies)

Deathguard. They look disssssgussssstinggggg.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
With endless possibilities for conversions and paint jobs, it's possible to make any army look the way you want to, so I have to say no on this one.

It's hard for me to agree on the Nurgle/Death Guard aspect, as I am a little icked by the pustules and the spilled intestines look.

Just take normal space marine models and give them all handkerchiefs to show they are all feeling a bit under the weather.

For me, Space Marines. All types.

Never been interested in them, ever.

Well, you are all much more open minded about 40k factions than I am. I have a long list of armies that do not interest me at all.

GSC
Admech
Dark Eldar
Knights
Grey K'niggits
Necrons
Daemons
Custodes
Templars
Emperor's Children

I can agree on the low model count armies like Knights and Custodes, but Dark Eldar??

Highly mobile, hard hitting and loads of cool tech and with great models to boot!
They always looked like a great army to play to me.

 Kroem wrote:
I can agree on the low model count armies like Knights and Custodes, but Dark Eldar??

Probably most attributable to Dawn of War Soulstorm with their fugly 3rd edition models and the horrendous voice acting. Just repellent all around. Remember this guy?

Highly mobile, hard hitting and loads of cool tech and with great models to boot!
They always looked like a great army to play to me.

The 2010 refresh helped a lot, but I still find them repulsive. No amount of tabletop heroics can overcome that.

Grey Knights. Dislike the concept, the lore and the models. The Dreadknight is just horrible.
Space Wolves. Dislike the concept, the lore and the models. For my sins I've painted up some Fallen and some Lamenters over the decades - but the Wolves have never interested me.
Custodes. Golden boys don't do anything for me. I don't hate them like the two above - but I can't see myself ever buying or playing with these guys.
Knights. Don't think they should be in 40k. Don't even really like the models and the lore does nothing. I guess 1 in an Ad Mech force maybe. Maybe.
Chaos Knights. These are by far the better Knight Models, but stand by my views that they just don't fit in 40k. If forced I'd run a mass wardogs style list, but its incredibly low down the things I'd buy given infinite time and money.

Edit. The old Archon is an awesome model.
I guess there's no accounting for taste.

 Kroem wrote:
I can agree on the low model count armies like Knights and Custodes, but Dark Eldar??

Highly mobile, hard hitting and loads of cool tech and with great models to boot!
They always looked like a great army to play to me.

Maybe if you play older editions...

 Arschbombe wrote:

 Kroem wrote:
I can agree on the low model count armies like Knights and Custodes, but Dark Eldar??

Probably most attributable to Dawn of War Soulstorm with their fugly 3rd edition models and the horrendous voice acting. Just repellent all around. Remember this guy?

Is he that bad for a 3rd edition model?

Keep in mind, too, that it's not his face - he's wearing a skin-mask made from a flayed enemy.

 vipoid wrote:

Is he that bad for a 3rd edition model?

Keep in mind, too, that it's not his face - he's wearing a skin-mask made from a flayed enemy.

I know it's not his face. It's a poorly sculpted flayed mask.

Perhaps in the context of 3rd edition it's not egregiously bad, but the whole DE range back then was fugly with giant spikes everywhere, the proportions were all off, nary a good-looking model among them.