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Seems the bulk of POD lists use home-made PODS.  GW is only allowing GW or Forgewold models in the GT.

The only way around this is converting Pods with a "majority of GW parts"...

Will it simply be bad sportsmanship to not allow the whey protien canister sized PODS against me @ GT...what is reasonable..? 

 

After all its pretty clear GW doesnt want to see your generic PODS no matter how nice they are.  I too dont want to see them either because they are abused quite often andmost of the time look like ass.

Posted By Brother CPT Ginn on 02/13/2007 8:42 PM

GW is only allowing GW or Forgewold models in the GT.

Wow. They announced that only official pods can be used?

yeah, I will imagine that this will kill most pod lists.

Kind of odd how they are doing that, especially since there is no offical model to speak of, just a non compulsory FW model.

I wonder how that will affect the pods that people built to the specs of the FW pods, like those made from the plans that GW posted to their own websites... *shrug*

Thank God I have a full set of the Forgeworld drop pods. I was considering playing a drop pod marine list at the GT, but now that there will be far fewer drop pod lists, I will definitely use mine.

Darrian

Wait, what? Is this another "change" that the idiotic powers that be have made since letting Jeff Hall go? As I recall Jeff specifically saying that converted/scratch built pods were perfectly legal when answering someone's query on that very thing... In fact, Hellfury asked the question in this thread and here is Jeff's response:

Posted By GWEvents on 01/03/2007 6:27 AM

 Scratch Built models are permitted for things like Drop Pods as there is no official GW model. You can always use the FW version, but if you custom build your own, that is fine.


Hope that answers your questions!
Jeff Hall
GWUS Community Manager

So are they contradicting this, and if so, where? I suspect this is nothing more than a bunch of idle scuttlebutt...

I believe he may be referring to the following rules from page 4 of the Grand Tournament Rules Packet:


So the question is does a scratch-built model count as a 'conversion' or a 'non-Citadel miniature'?

Ahh ok, I thought for a second that they totally reversed their previous ruling.

Looks like people wont need to "have a full set of Forgeworld drop pods" to play then. 

But I do think that Brother CPT Ginn raises a valid question.

First off, there is no Official model to really base this off of.
Yes, there is a FW model, but as repeatedly stated in the past, they are not compulsory because they are not technically comprised of any Citadel components whatsoever.

So in my eyes, and by GW's own ruling stating the requirement of Citadel components, FW pods are just as valid (or invalid) as home made drop pods since neither use Citadel components.

Actually, I find that scratch builts would be even more legal than FW pods as I am sure some people would dress the scratchbuilt pods with atleast a few Citadel gubbins, while most people who use FW pods dont have any Citadel components at all and is in fact, a non-Citadel model.

Ahhh..... now thats some sweet irony right there.

Oh yeah. I almost forgot...



I think it would be hilarious if the event staff removed the FW pods, because technically, it is a non citadel model. If you cant play with scratchbuilts that arent comprised of Citadel components, then the same must be done for FW pods as well.

Atleast according to their GT rules pamphlet.

Yeah, unless Brother CPT has new information, this is exactly the same packet that lead to the question posed to Jeff Hall. See the part about contacting the tournament organizer? That's what was done and an answer was rendered.

Units that have no official GW model (such as drop pods) can be completely scratch built, so homebrew drop pods are absolutely fine. If you still aren't 100% sure that yours will be okay, contact GW.


Cancel the air raid sirens. . .we have a false alarm here folks.

I know a guy who bought a FW Pod, then made a PVA mold and duped it a half dozen times.

It'd be a hoot to see him show up and use those unmolested at a GT.

Yeah, it's always so pleasant to see a thief gain from their crime.

The UK GT has allowed home-built Pods with no issues for the last two seasons now

Canada has no problem either.

In fact a friend of mine used his plumbing-based set at the recent Conflict Windsor, and they even made it into the painting spotlight.

I actually think the best was last chicago GT
I saw one guy using the cardboard drop pods from the warstore
I also played a guy using a unpainted guinness can with a storm bolter on top. It was awesome!!!!!!!!!!!
He had an all irish theme army and stuck his finger in the eye of the pod debat.
And we were drinking guinness so it was a win win
I cost me almost $100 dollars for each one of my huge dino squiggoths that are now unable to be used but if you go into a home depot and by 4 dollars worth of pvc you can have a pod.
LOL
This is argument brought to you from AWC which I have said I wont start again....LOL....

I am still wondering why they haven't made a pod kit yet. You'd think it would be quite profitable and inexpensive to produce.

Enjoy it while you can.

PVC pod with pits - $8 max

GW pod - $30 I'd bet

Posted By jfrazell on 02/14/2007 2:45 PM
Enjoy it while you can.

PVC pod with pits - $8 max

GW pod - $30 I'd bet

GW pod closer to $50-$60 I'd wager.

And theyd still sell a bazillion of them.

I handnt heard the ruling by Mr Hall...(Ducking behind cover) a red shirt in Memphis said that there would be fewer POD lists at GTs..."because there was no official model and the conversions have been overly abused" > paraphrasing of course.

Yeah I know red shirts and all, but for the most part they do ok when it comes to discussing events. Im not going to steer this down the "they, red shirts, are good at rules/lists/misinformation" isle...but it did intrigue me that this was the ruling/impression at the Memphis bunker...

I apologise for the party foul...

He may have heard a rumor that they'd be cracking down on lame conversions, but I'm not sure how they'd do this fairly. People tend to react badly when told their army is illegal, especially if they paid a lot to get to and play in the tournament.

"there was no official model"

Everytime I read or hear this I do a double-take. Um.... Forgeworld IS a Games Workshop company/division. ALL of their models are "official", as far as being legally Games Workshop products. There IS an official drop pod model. There has been an official drop pod model for a LONG time now. Plus, FW products are sold at a number of GW battle bunkers. Additionally, they are easily ordered online, over the phone, or via GW local stores.

So to recap: There are official GW manufactured drop pod models. Those models are commercially and readily available. They may not be plastic, or cheap, but none the less, they ARE available. I, for one, look forward to seeing fewer "drop pod" abominations/scratch builds in games.

YankeeBoy,

Whatever the technicalities, GWUS does not recognize FW models as official GW minis. Since they're the ones who render the rulings for USGTs, they get to make that decision.


So again, for those who didn't read the whole thread carefully:

GWUS events was contacted about Drop Pods after the rules packet was posted, and they said that scratchbuilt pods were fine.

There has been no official announcement since then changing their position, so homebrew pods are therefore completely legal in USGTs this year.

Posted By YankeeBoy on 02/15/2007 5:49 AM
"there was no official model"

Everytime I read or hear this I do a double-take. Um.... Forgeworld IS a Games Workshop company/division. ALL of their models are "official", as far as being legally Games Workshop products. There IS an official drop pod model. There has been an official drop pod model for a LONG time now. Plus, FW products are sold at a number of GW battle bunkers. Additionally, they are easily ordered online, over the phone, or via GW local stores.

So to recap: There are official GW manufactured drop pod models. Those models are commercially and readily available. They may not be plastic, or cheap, but none the less, they ARE available. I, for one, look forward to seeing fewer "drop pod" abominations/scratch builds in games.

Well, keep doing double takes.

Forgeworld is a subsidiary of GW just as Citadel is, but that doesnt make Forgeworld a Citadel product. Find me any single forgeworld product that has the "citadel" mark on it . Ill save you some time, there isnt any. Forge world has never been official and hasnt been for a LONG time now.

Jeff Hall, as a representitive of GW has said himself that "Scratch Built models are permitted for things like Drop Pods as there is no official GW model ".

I presume the reason why he said this is for the two reason Ghaz quoted on the first page of this thread. It is a non citadel miniature. Thus making the legality or illegality of Forgeworld pods vs. scratchbuilt pods equal.

So to recap: There are NO official GW manufactured drop pod models. Those models are NOT commercially and readily available as they DO NOT EXIST. I, for one, look forward to seeing many more "drop pod" creative scratch builds in games.

(Though admittedly, there are some pretty bad scratch builds out there.)

Do people even read the threads anymore before posting? It's not like any of this wasn't already mentioned on the first page... I guess some people have the idea that owning ridiculously overpriced, poorly cast and difficult to assemble (but beautifully designed) drop pods that aren't even Citadel models somehow entitles them to be pickled pork turds towards those that chose to use inexpensive, easy to build (but perhaps not as beautifully designed) drop pods that also aren't Citadel models...

ZOMG! FW For THE WIN!!!!111!!!

Hey, people always feel gipped when they spend more money than someone else for the same thing! And GW doesn't do a "lowest price guaranteed" deal!

I prefer my drop pods to have a "nitrogen foaming widget" in the bottom.  Then I can split them with my opponent at the end of the game!

It's win-win baby!  Much better than trying to chew on resin...

I LOVE MY GENIUNE FORGEWORLD DROP PODS!!!

- Greenie

In the event of a pod hitting water, the widget may be used as a floatation device. In order to aid buoyancy in this situation, Marines are encouraged to practise their "chug" skills (comes with a negative bonus to WS, BS, and I, but also makes the unit fearless. Also reduces save to 5+ as Marines strip off their armour).

Shouldnt they get 'feel no pain' as well as they become uncaring about all that happens to them. That should ballence out the loss of armor save.

Posted By nyarlathotep667 on 02/15/2007 7:59 AM
Do people even read the threads anymore before posting? It's not like any of this wasn't already mentioned on the first page... I guess some people have the idea that owning ridiculously overpriced, poorly cast and difficult to assemble (but beautifully designed) drop pods that aren't even Citadel models somehow entitles them to be pickled pork turds towards those that chose to use inexpensive, easy to build (but perhaps not as beautifully designed) drop pods that also aren't Citadel models...

but you mean that in the best possible way don't you nyarly?

Posted By whitedragon on 02/15/2007 8:11 AM
ZOMG! FW For THE WIN!!!!111!!!

Hey, people always feel gipped when they spend more money than someone else for the same thing! And GW doesn't do a "lowest price guaranteed" deal!

Indeed.  But really whether you build you own or buy a FW model, it works out the same cash wise for decently converted/scratchbuilt pods.

Personally, I would prefer to just buy the FW model and paint that as opposed to spending endless hours building my own. Time is worth more to me than money.

Posted By jfrazell on 02/15/2007 10:59 AM

Posted By nyarlathotep667 on 02/15/2007 7:59 AM
Do people even read the threads anymore before posting? It's not like any of this wasn't already mentioned on the first page... I guess some people have the idea that owning ridiculously overpriced, poorly cast and difficult to assemble (but beautifully designed) drop pods that aren't even Citadel models somehow entitles them to be pickled pork turds towards those that chose to use inexpensive, easy to build (but perhaps not as beautifully designed) drop pods that also aren't Citadel models...

but you mean that in the best possible way don't you nyarly?

LOL, absolutely! Only in the nicest most tenderest way!

Ah, and nothing wrong with owning the FW pods. I actually pity those that do and have built them given the scuttlebutt on what nightmares they are to assemble. But that rite of passage entitles one to nothing other than an assembled drop pod, no more no less!

I'd be more interested in all the cratch builds myself. There are some real nice models, from balsa replica to PVC land to other ideas. Looking at what people came up with would be a big plus for me.