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Just saw this over on Warseer:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75966

Looks as though we might see the new Chaos codex in September, as well as a plastic CSM Lord kit and plastic terminators.

AJC

According to the thread ths comes from a poster in New Zealland 'who maintains freindship' with the staff.

Take this with a whole shaker of salt.

Posted By Kid_Kyoto on 03/24/2007 7:29 AM
According to the thread ths comes from a poster in New Zealland 'who maintains freindship' with the staff.

Take this with a whole shaker of salt.

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So...people in the know tell a super secret tidbit of info, one which seems perfectly reasonable, given the direction GW is going with their models, and WS acts like it is BIG NEWS!

Posted By Kid_Kyoto on 03/24/2007 7:29 AM
According to the thread ths comes from a poster in New Zealland 'who maintains freindship' with the staff.

Take this with a whole shaker of salt.

If I recall correctly, this is one of the original posters in the Fantasy section that spoke to the new scenery (There were a couple of other confirmed rumours there as well).  I'm pretty sure this guy has a hx of being correct.

Which is really a shame to Ork players.  Release a freaking faq deballing IW and Doom Siren if it's that much of an issue...and give Ork/DE players their damn dex.  It's completely circular logic "Well Chaos will sell more because it's more popular....so lets redo their dex....which makes even less people play Orks/DE...which causes GW to ignore them for longer...etc"

So, speaking in dollars, this wouldn't be shocking.

wont surprise me any either. Its exactly as you say GWs circular logic.

I wish people would get over the whole "put out the ork codex now, they need it more" issue. Orks will be out when orks is out. No more, no less. The ork codex is going to take more time as it is a total rework, and has never been officially announced. People are all in a tizzy now because someone a couple of months back rumour was that the ork codex was next, and then when rumours were heard otherwise they flipped. They have a certain amount of people working on this, and when it is ready, it will be out. Most likely if this works as a normal business putting out the Chaos codex isn't taking anything away from the orks. Word has been that they are having numerous issues with the dex, such as the models not casting correctly and making the list "feel" right. The Chaos codex is much less of a revamp, and has had models also in the works for awhile also that seem to have few issues. So here they are slipping something out that is ready, while working on issues with the other. Throwing more resources at something doesn't necessarily make it get done faster.

And yes, I do play orks, and no I do not play chaos. The ork players are becoming whiny Eldar players. Very unbecoming of an ork really.... makes me feel ashamed.

Heh. Remember the Wood Elf players when Ogre Kingdoms was announced? Now THAT was whining!

It's generally agreed that Chaos is overpowered... (awaits chorus of disagreement...)

Does the panel think the new Chaos Codex will be nerfed a bit for game balance?
Would that make them less popular?
Would it be a bad thing or a good thing?

Heh, I forgot about that. That was an ongoing wine fest.

I do like the product they put out in the end when they finally figured out how Wood Elves should play, and still be a WHFB type army.

Posted By Toreador on 03/25/2007 10:38 AM
I wish people would get over the whole "put out the ork codex now, they need it more" issue. Orks will be out when orks is out. No more, no less. The ork codex is going to take more time as it is a total rework, and has never been officially announced. People are all in a tizzy now because someone a couple of months back rumour was that the ork codex was next, and then when rumours were heard otherwise they flipped. They have a certain amount of people working on this, and when it is ready, it will be out. Most likely if this works as a normal business putting out the Chaos codex isn't taking anything away from the orks. Word has been that they are having numerous issues with the dex, such as the models not casting correctly and making the list "feel" right. The Chaos codex is much less of a revamp, and has had models also in the works for awhile also that seem to have few issues. So here they are slipping something out that is ready, while working on issues with the other. Throwing more resources at something doesn't necessarily make it get done faster.

And yes, I do play orks, and no I do not play chaos. The ork players are becoming whiny Eldar players. Very unbecoming of an ork really.... makes me feel ashamed.

I understand your point but must disagree.

The Chaos codex should be more then a revamp, as if it simply addresses game breaks/obvious fluff breaks, then it should be a faq.  Chaos has enough material in it to fill a couple of dexs..but regardless of rumours this probably isn't happening.  I would rather them  put Chaos on the backburner, really develop a solid dex that incorporates the diversification present...moreso then put out a faq w/ pictures.  If that's what it is, who knows perhaps they've had their creative design team spending a great deal of time on it?  I don't think anyone rightfully knows the answer to the amount of time pushing Chaos out the door put Orks behind...but considering GW's financial status in the last year or two...I'm sure there is some belt tightening present.

I'm not an Ork player..nor Chaos...but even I want a new Ork dex.  I suspect, like most things when dealing with a corporation, it boils down to dollars.

Who knows, if Oblit sales are down....perhaps we'll see the new IWs w/ 4 heavys, the option to take a 5th Heavy (providing it's Oblits)..... and Oblits count as troops...w/ true immune to Lascannon toughness 5 stat lines!  Hell I'm going to email this in and get hired .

Sorry, already emailed them about an oblit plastic kit... now I'm hired!

Greets
Schepp himself

Posted By Schepp himself on 03/25/2007 1:26 PM

Who knows, if Oblit sales are down....perhaps we'll see the new IWs w/ 4 heavys, the option to take a 5th Heavy (providing it's Oblits)..... and Oblits count as troops...w/ true immune to Lascannon toughness 5 stat lines! Hell I'm going to email this in and get hired [Wink] .

Sorry, already emailed them about an oblit plastic kit... now I'm hired!

Greets
Schepp himself

Sorry, I made the Oblit plastic kit and got hired.

I also renamed myself pete haines so I can be uber stoopid.

but I got fired....

Posted By Toreador on 03/25/2007 10:38 AM
I wish people would get over the whole "put out the ork codex now, they need it more" issue. Orks will be out when orks is out. No more, no less. The ork codex is going to take more time as it is a total rework, and has never been officially announced. People are all in a tizzy now because someone a couple of months back rumour was that the ork codex was next, and then when rumours were heard otherwise they flipped. They have a certain amount of people working on this, and when it is ready, it will be out. Most likely if this works as a normal business putting out the Chaos codex isn't taking anything away from the orks. Word has been that they are having numerous issues with the dex, such as the models not casting correctly and making the list "feel" right. The Chaos codex is much less of a revamp, and has had models also in the works for awhile also that seem to have few issues. So here they are slipping something out that is ready, while working on issues with the other. Throwing more resources at something doesn't necessarily make it get done faster.

And yes, I do play orks, and no I do not play chaos. The ork players are becoming whiny Eldar players. Very unbecoming of an ork really.... makes me feel ashamed.

No Ork players are upset because GW castrated one of the most powerful and the most fun army in second edition.   I also wish you would post something that does not involve your fellating Games Workshop.  I think the majority of the posters on Dakka would appreciate it as well.

Posted By Kilkrazy on 03/25/2007 11:19 AM
It's generally agreed that Chaos is overpowered... (awaits chorus of disagreement...)

Does the panel think the new Chaos Codex will be nerfed a bit for game balance?
Would that make them less popular?
Would it be a bad thing or a good thing?

You stoopid 'roid monkey power g4mer!!!!!  If you like, evah red the fluff you would know Chaos CAN'T be over powered cause like they have 4!!!! chaos gods and the Space Empire just has (2 if you count the machine god) so they should be four times more powerful than the space Empire!!

Posted By Dice Monkey on 03/25/2007 2:37 PM

Posted By Toreador on 03/25/2007 10:38 AM
I wish people would get over the whole "put out the ork codex now, they need it more" issue. Orks will be out when orks is out. No more, no less. The ork codex is going to take more time as it is a total rework, and has never been officially announced. People are all in a tizzy now because someone a couple of months back rumour was that the ork codex was next, and then when rumours were heard otherwise they flipped. They have a certain amount of people working on this, and when it is ready, it will be out. Most likely if this works as a normal business putting out the Chaos codex isn't taking anything away from the orks. Word has been that they are having numerous issues with the dex, such as the models not casting correctly and making the list "feel" right. The Chaos codex is much less of a revamp, and has had models also in the works for awhile also that seem to have few issues. So here they are slipping something out that is ready, while working on issues with the other. Throwing more resources at something doesn't necessarily make it get done faster.

And yes, I do play orks, and no I do not play chaos. The ork players are becoming whiny Eldar players. Very unbecoming of an ork really.... makes me feel ashamed.

No Ork players are upset because GW castrated one of the most powerful and the most fun army in second edition.   I also wish you would post something that does not involve your fellating Games Workshop.  I think the majority of the posters on Dakka would appreciate it as well.

Actually I feel he has a point here. I don't recall any confirmation that Orks were next, and in line with 4 ed codici (however the damn word is spelt) it requires a heck of a lot of work.

Anyway, 2nd edition orks weren't funny, they were stupid and definitely do not fit in with the "grim darkness etc there is only war". The models were crap even by 2nd edition standards.

And as for the fellating, it makes a change to see an alternative point of view from all of us that have become some what jaded in relation to GW - so I must be in the minority then, or someone who apprecites a discussion which involves an exchange of ideas instead of drone drone drone GW sux.

Posted By Kid_Kyoto on 03/25/2007 3:35 PM

Posted By Kilkrazy on 03/25/2007 11:19 AM
It's generally agreed that Chaos is overpowered... (awaits chorus of disagreement...)

Does the panel think the new Chaos Codex will be nerfed a bit for game balance?
Would that make them less popular?
Would it be a bad thing or a good thing?

You stoopid 'roid monkey power g4mer!!!!!  If you like, evah red the fluff you would know Chaos CAN'T be over powered cause like they have 4!!!! chaos gods and the Space Empire just has (2 if you count the machine god) so they should be four times more powerful than the space Empire!!

Machine God doesn't count. He's a C'tan.

In his lair on old Mars the Dragon waits dreaming...

Posted By fullheadofhair on 03/25/2007 3:35 PM

And as for the fellating, it makes a change to see an alternative point of view from all of us that have become some what jaded in relation to GW - so I must be in the minority then, or someone who apprecites a discussion which involves an exchange of ideas instead of drone drone drone GW sux.

Because drone drone drone sucking off GW is better?

Yes Dice Monkey. I am sure everyone on Dakka just likes to sit back and female dog about everything. I think at that point, I like being the voice of dissent. And I will fellate all I like to thank you very much. It is very tiring. It's almost like Dakka became emo at some point along the way.

And if I don't like something GW does, I usually don't say anything because it has been said about 20 times already. Thus why I only argue when I disagree.

Posted By Toreador on 03/25/2007 5:32 PM
Yes Dice Monkey. I am sure everyone on Dakka just likes to sit back and female dog about everything. I think at that point, I like being the voice of dissent. And I will fellate all I like to thank you very much. It is very tiring. It's almost like Dakka became emo at some point along the way.

And if I don't like something GW does, I usually don't say anything because it has been said about 20 times already. Thus why I only argue when I disagree.

DICE MONKEY- YOUR COMMENTS ARE INAPPROPRIATE. 

FLAMES ARE NOT APPROPRIATE.

PLEASE ATTEMPT TO DO BETTER.

What the hell does any of this have to do with the Chaos Codex info?

I guess that there's aspects of Slaanesh that we really don't want to be thinking about.

The point is that complaining is a lot more fun than complimenting.  Try this sometime:  post a thread about how good the service was from, say, the Warstore.  See if it goes 18 pages like the thread on The Drop Zone.  I'm guessing it won't.  (If it does, I'll need to borrow some salt for the crow I'll need to eat).

Do Orks have penises?

Sadly, much like my aunt that we bricked up in the basement, I just don't care that much about GW anymore. I remember anxiously anticipating new releases, and I would camp out next to my mailbox when a new issue of White Dwarf was due. Now I just sit in my darkened room and smoke cigarettes. And remember.

Yes, I am a rebel dottie...

I now know where some of those people from the Eye of Chaos ended up. Thanks Dice Money, you proved that at least of them found their way elsewhere. Keep up the good work. You make Dakka proud.


It looks like some of the early rumours may be true then. Chaos Codex in September, with High Elves being the Christmas release, and then Orks first part of 08. I wonder how Apocalypse fits into it all. Rumours are building on that product, so it would seem it's release is imminent, but how does that fit into the schedule? I can be a negative ninny and say I am not looking forward to it at all. I don't really like big game now. Why would I want to play even bigger ones?

I don't play Chaos, but I am interested to see the release. If the book is toned down, I can see it leveling the playing field quite a bit. I am also curious to see if this will be a book for the cults or not. I would love to see something to make traitor guard and other forces, but don't anticipate it. If the cult lists are in the book, will they also make Thousand Sons a playable force? Looks to be an interesting Fall season.

The thing about the orks is GW has been saying for years now that they need to give them "Da Speshul Treetment" as an excuse why, yet again, their codice has been pushed back. Since their 3rd ed dex, there has been two Necron lists (one in WD, the other the current codice), two Tau codices, two Eldar, two DA sub dexes, two BT lists (EOT & their current subdex), and now, it seems, THREE chaos codices. If you can't see why Ork fans are a wee bit frustrated, and apparently Toreador, you can't, then you have your head shoved up your arse (or perhaps Tom Kirby's). Quite frankly, the idea that there are "issues" with the rules or "casting problems" is a load of apologist bullshite.

Orks don't need some massive upheaval (like, say, Dark Eldar do). Really, all they need is four new plastic kits, something they can easily put out: A modular buggies n' bikes box (with options for scorcha's n' such), a modular trukk/battlewagon box, a modular 'canz n dredz kit and some new plastic infantry kit (DON'T TOUCH THE BOYZ - they are fine). They can also do like they did with the Eldar and spread some of the releases out over 6+ months. But GW won't and we'll get to see yet another Chaos codex that will probably be even worse written, edited and formatted than the god awful piece of gak that is the DA dex.

I want grot plastics. That would make me about 40 bucks poorer (even more so if
I actually ended up painting the darn things).

Well if they had never put out the variant Ork lists (Kult of Speed, and at least 2 versions of Feral Orks), along with the Klan variant lists, I would agree with you that Orks never get nufin. But they have. I am ok with someone saying that it has been awhile, but to whine because a release that was never announced is preempted by another also not announced release, well that is just silly.

And it is your opinion they don't need the massive upheaval. Most of the troop types aren't supported by kits anymore, and a lot of people complain about the basic figs. All the vehicle kits are a mess. The army itself needs quite an overhaul to get it to feel orky and still be competitive against skimmer armies, which they have little chance against at the moment. It requires a lot more work than the basic Chaos list, which is competitive at the moment. I won't say anything about the chaos miniatures, they seem to be ok other than the chosen.

Just like the Eldar and the Wood Elves, things will be done when they are done.

Good grot plastics would be a godsend! I am tired of my half metal half horrible one pose grots from the old box.

And I will agree with you about poorly edited, but when has any product GW put out not been? I mean really,.. name one.
Other than that, like before, I like the DA dex.

Posted By Toreador on 03/25/2007 9:47 PM

And I will agree with you about poorly edited, but when has any product GW put out not been? I mean really,.. name one.
Other than that, like before, I like the DA dex.

I'm pretty pleased with my Dwarfs, Empire and Orcs army books. There's a couple typos, but on the whole they're as well edited as must other gaming books. Maybe a little better then average even.

People should be patient. A new Ork book will probably come out just before 5th edition.