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Building my new 1750 eldar army, i noticed the model count is only 42. Weather its because i used to be an ork player, it seemed to me 42 might be low. So i ask you what is a good model count for a 1750 list? discount horde armies, nids, orks, infintry heavy guard.

For Marines
For Eldar
For Necrons
For Tau?

Mech and None Mech lists.

My 1850 pt Eldar list which is mostly mech has 42 models.9 of which are bikes, 5 are vehicles, and 28 are infantry models. At 1500 this drops to 34.
My 1500 pt DH list has 47 models, 3 of which are vehicles.
My 1500 pt WH list has 57 models, 5 of which are vehicles. This is a mech list as well.
My 1500 pt SM list has 40 models, 2 of which are vehicles, and 8 are bikes.

I don't know if these are good or not, but I like to think that the lists are somewhat competative, but not min/maxed to any serious degree.

My marines usually hover around 30ish points per model. Well, 25-35 really, depending on the level of mechinization in the list. Mech Eldar usually will have lower model counts than a Mech Marine list, since their vehicles cost so much more than a marine equivalent.

In other words, if you're playing a mech eldar list, then you're probably all right.  If you're going the foot route, then you're probably missing some necessary numbers.

It's not how many models you have, it's how you use them.  Seriously though, size matters.  You have been weighed, measured, and found wanting.  Get more models! 

My Space Wolves and Black Legion both hover around 50 total models at 1500 points.

at 1850

multi-wing (hybrid 1st and 2nd company) dark angels-26 models

inner circle-dark angels-20 models

mech tau "tank company"-34 models

 

and on a side note-the eldar "tank company" i designed only has 40 models at 1850

Marines @ 1750 are usually between 35-50 models, with the high end of the range going to drop pod lists, which can field more models, or low-mech and low-terminator lists.

Eldar hover above 35-40, depending on the number of grav tanks and Guardians. If an Eldar player wants to, though, they can come close to the numerical superiority of Guard by fielding many, many Guardians with a few Wraithlords and Vypers in support.

My Guard at 1750 are at least 55 models, usually a lot more, up to 65-75. But then, individual Guard squads are bloody cheap. If the player is using odd doctrines, they can hit either end of the range, though -- a Mechanized Grenadier list can be quite small indeed, and a Camelioline Infantry list can outnumber any other list out there.

-Adso

ok im relieved, than my model count is about right. Very different from my old ork army, which at this point level had like 130 models.

yeah but those are orks

you need 100 meat shields so the other 30 can survive to do something

my 2k point army list so far has 70+ models in it....my old DA list has nearly 90 models (shooty, no vehicles min maxing and all that jazz)

42 does seem low, which is no good because that means that your guys are point heavy, you have too many vehicles, or your are buying toys with too few boys. As a SM you need to be able to claim objectives and with only 42 models to do it, you are vastly outnumbered against MOST armies.

I would suggest maybe around 50-55 models in a 1750 pt list but without knowing your list that projection is difficult to stick to.  If you are a shooty list you should have way more models, if you are doing something with vehicles then understandably you'll have less models, and that makes sense.

not true at all ATI

i love small elite armies and i win with them.

 

some people prefer horde style armies like you, some prefer vehicle heavy or tooled out squads or multiple HQs etc...it depends on what you like and how it works for you. my old ravenwing list had 27 models and i won most of my games against all opponants. my friends IW list has like 24 models and  kicks arse routinely.

 

never assume low model count is bad. it works for greyknights, iron warrors, tau, eldar, thousand sons, deathiwng and ravening(not as much with the new dex though) if you build a good list.

 

 

Posted By ATI on 04/15/2007 11:36 PM
my 2k point army list so far has 70+ models in it....my old DA list has nearly 90 models (shooty, no vehicles min maxing and all that jazz)

42 does seem low, which is no good because that means that your guys are point heavy, you have too many vehicles, or your are buying toys with too few boys. As a SM you need to be able to claim objectives and with only 42 models to do it, you are vastly outnumbered against MOST armies.

I would suggest maybe around 50-55 models in a 1750 pt list but without knowing your list that projection is difficult to stick to.  If you are a shooty list you should have way more models, if you are doing something with vehicles then understandably you'll have less models, and that makes sense.

the army isnt SM though. Its eldar.

my DE at 1750 in 67 models and three raiders and three ravagers and at 1850 i add another sqaud of warriors for 100 points, that seems right for marines players42 models

Whoops read the OP wrong, thought he said SM's not Eldar....

42 points on Eldar seems low to me just because their average units cost much less. 42 sounds about right for a SM list but hey who knows. Without an army list its hard to judge what is the right move models wise. Of course you could be playing Saim Han Eldar and that has a low model count but is mostely bikes and vehicles.
Just be careful because less models could make it harder to take objectives in some scenarios.


I do have to admit though, I very much love swarm space marines.

i have a list in the army list section, let me know what you think.

My Dark Eldar army at 1850 numbers right around 97 models, my necrons run at close to 70 models with 1 monolith, My Eldar army is looking around 60 models with 2 Prisms and 2 Wave Serpents, My IG is around 100 models and my Wolves are sitting around 40 with assorted vehicles.

My foot slogging eldar is only 62 models but I do think it needs some more work. Eldrad, Farseer, 12 SC, 20 DA, 18 Rangers, 12 SH.4 WW.

I am currently working on a new list of 2 Autarchs, 12 SC, 10 DA +WS, 4 GJB, 3 Shining Spears, 12 SH, 4 Dark Reapers. 4 WW. I probably will pull the WW's for another 10 DA with WS.

My ld tau had 36 FW's, 24 Pathfinders, 2 SGaso, 6 Stealth suits, 1 Hammer head, 1 Broadside, 10 kroot. and 2 devil fish