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The concept is that the orks had the same idea that I did. Use the buggy to block LoS/numbers.
If I were to do the actual model for this, I'd just attach a gigantic platicard sheet the the buggy with a buggy shape cut out. Then paint freehand as best I can (Not great, but not awful; which is good cause then it'll look like orks painted it) a landscape.


The question is do you think people will laugh, or roll their eyes and mark down my sportsmanship score. Is it unsportsmanlike-like? What would you do if I used this against you?

Btw, the buggy is not mine. It was just the first profile buggy that came up in a google search.

-Leo037

Expect it not to fly. Creative modelling is one thing, giant plasticard LOS blocking walls attached to buggies is another entirely.

Wow, I didn't think you were serious, but I would brush up on my self defense if you tried that kind of thing in the Philly area.

I'd laugh, and then simply point out that the rules explictly say that banners (of which this is a version of) can be ignored for line-of-sight purposes.

There was a guy at Toys For Tots who brought huge banners on his Rhinos to hide his Penitent Engines. I don't think he got dinged on sportsmanship.

Looks kind of desperate, and very unsportsmanlike.

Would it be better if the sheet didn't go past the 'natural' edges of the vehicle? I mean, of course it would be better, but would it be acceptable? What if I modeled it so that orks were actually holding the sheet? In other words, what would it take to make this viable?

-Leo037

Cypher037 wrote:The concept is that the orks had the same idea that I did. Use the buggy to block LoS/numbers.

Do away with this part of the concept and just focus on doing something humorous modelling-wise that has no in-game effect-that makes it viable.

Cypher037: Don't use it at all. It's not 'viable'.

Remember that if a banner is possessed then you cannot shoot through it.

- G

If I were to do the actual model for this, I'd just attach a gigantic platicard sheet the the buggy with a buggy shape cut out.

Maybe the picture makes this clearer. I'm a twork, however, and your picture hosting service is blocked by our servers, so I can't see it.

I just don't understand.

You want to cut out a buggy shaped piece of plasticard & attach it to the side of your buggy? Is that what I'm reading?
Or did you want to attach a LARGER piece of plasticard to it?

If it's the first one, then it just doesn't matter. Whether or not you can see through the buggy (say, under the wheels or through the it's cab/cockpit) doesn't matter. It automatically blocks LOS of an area = to it's profile (assuming you have it sideways). The plasticard wall would be superfluous, in that case.

If you're wanting to drag a plasticard wall behind you or something, or make your profile larger than it should be, then you need to stop trying to "test" the limits of the rules.

Eric

You are asking, so that means you aren't sure.

Save yourself some time and having to find new opponents (when your current opponents refuse to play against you).

Surely 40k isn't so lame that it needs you to have huge LOS blocking vehicles to protect your army....

@cypher037- I can't really believe you are serious about this idea. Maybe I am missing your subtle sarcasm? I hope so... But as Gonads politely alluded, the game is not so broken that anyone must resort to this level of ridiculousness.

I think that plenty of players would laugh when you brought it out; however, if the model proves frustrating in game, I think a big chunk of the losers and a smaller chunk of the winners would ding you.

The idea is hilarious.

It's an amusing idea that should be saved for games that are just for amusement. In a tourney, a couple of initial laughs aren't going to stop your opponent from getting annoyed at the obvious advantage you'd be getting. Plus, there's the whole banner issue.

Agreed. It's an amusing conversion that would get a few laughs if not used to gain advantage, but would rapidly annoy if you actually tried to use it to block LOS and gain a game advantage.

Given the section in the rulebook about superfluous bits like banners not counting for drawing LOS to the model, you're also really on thin ice as far as rules legality and legitimacy are concerned.

So what about this?:


At my LGS we play with "hard magic cylander" LoS. It's much easier to play if theres no debating over what can see over what and getting your face on the board. It also eschews scetchy modeling (see above ). So, this doesn't matter for most of my games, but I'm still concerned with tournies-- namely GTs.

As far as the banner thing goes. If I use foamcore instead of plasticard, it will be much more of a wall, and less of a sheet.

-Leo037

If you play full Magic Cylinder at your local store, it should be no problem at all there.

That said, in the the national/regional events I've played, I've found that Friendly Model's Eye View and Magic Cylinder Lite are much more common, and this kind of conversion would be asking for trouble. I'd make it removable if you intend to play at GTs.

If you did it until turn 1, and the did the "just joking" and pulled them off it would be humorous. If you were serious-as already noted it would not work under the BBB.

Yeah, I give up. I don't need to abuse the rules to win anyway . I'm keeping the idea though-- I'll just say they don't count for LoS purposes.

People don't like it when a kid beats them in the first place. Let alone if I'm useing questionable models. It's kinda funny, people always seem to think "easy win" when they see a 17 year old kid at a GT. I know I do. The only reason I can go to out of state GTs is 'cause my dad is into the hobby as well, and he lives in a different state then I do. So not only do we have to fly to see each other anyway, but he likes playing the GTs as much as I do. To boot, his wife loves Vegas and Chicago, so shes perfectly happy to come along and sight-see. Wow, that got off-topic...

-Leo037

Personally? I'd laugh and let you use it, because it's friggin' funny! Depending on how the landscape is painted (remember to give the sun a face!).

But I don't think many other people would. People just don't have any sense of humor...

I had the same idea with my guard, but with sandbags and barbed wire. Too much effort though.

Why not just put an actual magical cylinder around
each buggy? A cone of card or a candle holder would
work nicely.

All I know is you could have some great games against this classic Space Wolves Dreadnought:







Okay seriously: I'd suggest playing some test games using the model's eye view LOS style in perparation for your tournie games. You really should be able to devise strategies that don't revolve around hiding vehicles behind each other (it can be done).

If I were running a tournament: You'd have to replace it with an appropriate model. Otherwise, you’d be forced to remove it from your list or leave the tournament for trying to abuse the rules.

In a friendly game: I’d tell you the same thing. And I wouldn’t expect that you’d find many people willing to play you.

~Logic

yakface wrote:
All I know is you could have some great games against this classic Space Wolves Dreadnought:

Guess I missed out by not reading enough YMDC.

And the soda bottle is a carnifex.

That's pretty awesome.

The paper cylinder, that is.

If you really want your buggies to block more LOS, go convert a bunch of 1/35 scale armored cars and the like. Just be prepared to deal with the consequences. Like Whitescar owning you in the parking lot.

If you're really smitten with the idea as a hobby project, do one for kicks, as a centerpiece. Frankly, it's a lot like someone's rather famous kommandos from YEARS ago that had them in 'camouflage' (a pile of tires, a sign painted to look like a marine, a bush, etc.)

So a giant engine with a huge trailing cloud of "smoke"
couldn't be used as "smoke" in game, I'm guessing.

Totally freaking funny. Even if you were 'serious' I'd let you do it. It's just too funny a poke at the rules not to. lol

Okay.
I'm at home now, and I can see the pictures.

Crazy.

I can see it now...

"Hey! I love that converted trukk. That's hilarious. Can I see it?"
::moments pass, followed by a crash::
"Oops. My bad. I'm so sorry. Want to borrow one of my extra unpainted Space Marine Bikes to proxy for it?"


I'm not saying *I* would do it. I'm just saying I could see it happening.

Eric