Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

?

Nope! Even Jervis has finally admitted that they could never be made to work right. The results were so wildly inconsistant that it became apparant that it would simply be better to arbitrarily decide point values and playtest to see if you got it right.

One bolter on a War Engine is practically worthless. Fifty bolters? Priceless!

^^Someone should sig that.

I typically use the VDR to get a ball park for my ideas, then adjust fire to get a more realistic number. Though I haven't play tested anything yet, but the points made sense.

I don't see what the real problem with them is. Design a vehicle, then remove 1/3rd of the cost that it gives you, and you have your 40K vehicle.

BYE

Well, to be fair, if you're using the rules in the spirit in which they are intended, that works fine. Many people seem to be unable to resist abusing the VDR, though.