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im torn :S i was going to make up an army of cyborg vampyre space marines (that i would count as CSM or SM) but all the counts as models would be confusing for any opponent. so should i instead make nurgle orks? they would be probably more fun to convert and i wouldnt have to use the whole counts as system (much). so yeah i dont know which to use :S

btw heres link to the topic about the vampyric cyborg SM http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/214129.page

well after 24 hours nothing has happened

Yes, "counts as" can be confusing.
But I would not stop from doing a nice army because it could be confusing.
try to make a cool army and try to make it clear. (WYSIWYG is kinda important and will help a lot: The vampire lord with a powerfist is a chaos champion with a powerfist )

PS: nurgle orks is still mighty cool

thanks for the input, but im still unsure :S i know what i would do for nurgle orks, daemony princey warboss, some daemon boyz (possessed), a weirdboy (as a sorcerer) etc. but modelling wise im not sure what do to do for the Vampryn :S

came up with a short peice of fluff about the nurgley orks
After passing through a warpstorm weirdboy Urrzargg Sikik felt a presence clawing at the fringes of his mind, at first he thought it was Mork (or maybe Gork) trying to talk to him. soon he saw visions of battlefields full of corpses and orks hollering in victory. Urrzargg zealously worshipped the god giving him these visions, pledging all his kills to him. Eventually Urrzargg learnt secrets and spells no weirdboy had known before. After his powers doubled, then doubled again and doubled AGAIN he realized the truth behind his god. It was no ork god, it was Nurgle the lord of decay. Unlike many orks would have he did not reject this revelation, instead he accepted it and devised a plan to corrupt all of the high ranking orks of his WAAAAH! Urrzargg sent the whispers of Nurgle into the mind of his warboss and after a matter of weeks the warboss was converted to the ways of decay. The boyz soon followed the warboss’s example. Some becoming so committed that they allowed daemons into their bodies (becoming daemon boyz). But mostly the boys just said they followed Nurgle to keep the boss happy. The painboyz delighted in all the new techniques they could use and the meks adored the warp enhanced technology. As the decades went by the orks grew twisted and bloated. The warboss became a hulking creature that struck fear into the greatest of orks. And the weirdboy who started it all? He grew more powerful than any sorcerer of the imperium or any warlock of the eldar.
And thus was the beginning of the Black Tide Boyz

Demanding people reply to your thread is not a good way to solicit replies. In this case it does appear to have worked though. Touché
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corpsesarefun wrote: came up with a short peice of fluff about the nurgley orks
After passing through a warpstorm weirdboy Urrzargg Sikik felt a presence clawing at the fringes of his mind he thought it was Mork (or maybe Gork) trying to talk to him, he saw visions of battlefields full of corpses and orks hollering in victory. Urrzargg zealously worshipped the god giving him these visions, pledging all his kills to him. Eventually Urrzargg learnt secrets and spells no weirdboy had known before. After his powers doubled, then doubled again and doubled AGAIN he realized the truth behind his god. It was no ork god, it was Nurgle the lord of decay. Unlike many orks would have he did not reject this revelation, instead he accepted it and devised a plan to corrupt all of the high ranking orks of his WAAAAH! Urrzargg sent the whispers of Nurgle into the mind of his warboss and after a matter of weeks the warboss was converted to the ways of decay. The boyz soon followed the warboss’s example. Some becoming so committed that they allowed daemons into their bodies (becoming daemon boyz). But mostly the boys just said they followed Nurgle to keep the boss happy. The painboyz delighted in all the new techniques they could use and the meks adored the warp enhanced technology. As the decades went by the orks grew twisted and bloated. The warboss became a hulking creature that struck fear into the greatest of orks. And the weirdboy who started it all? He grew more powerful than any sorcerer of the imperium or any warlock of the eldar.
And thus was the beginning of the Black Tide Boyz

That's pretty good fluff. I love it. How are you going to do the paint scheme on the boyz? Are they all bloated and twisted or have some of them staved off the effects of Nurgle's corruption? It would be pretty cool to have a few 'surprised' looking orks in there. Surprised by some of their brethrens' transformations. But I don't know how surprised those ork heads can look.

i was thinking along the lines of, most of the orks dont ACTUALY know what nurgle and etc is they just follow the warboss and so have no mutations. then there are the orks who still know nothing of chaos but use daemons weapons so have a few mutations. then there are the daemon worshiping orks with alot of mutations. then there are the Daemonboyz and the warboss/daemon prince thing who are all REALY mutated.
so in answer to your question quite a few orks are just orks with a nurgley colour scheme and arnt that corrupted. though i do like your surprised ork idea i think i will use it if i do choose this army.
Colour schemewise i was thinking of the metals black with chips and some rust on it, the clothes a dirty mouldy brown with flecks of green and the skin would be paler than ord standards. This is just a basic idea and is likely to change if i get a better idea .

i dont get it, people read topics but rarely post

Well, its kinda like only posting when you have something to input

To be honest, I like the idea of the Vampiric Space Marines, the question is how would you model and potray them?

I'm currently on a quest to create a company of True Scale Space Marines...and thats work enough, trying to make them obviously vampiric would be a massive task.....as Vampires tend to look "normal" until they open their mouths.....I know this is a cliche, but even if you make them look "Buffy-ised" vampire types with the twisted noses, etc...they'll just come across looking like mutant Space Marines = fail.

So in modelling terms, you really can only go for the Nurgle Orks, and how much fun that will be depends on you. There is a picture in the back of the Daemon Hunters Codex, that hints at Orks infected by Nurgle, and I can't imagine a more horrific horde bearing down on a planet...can you?

Thats my opinion by the way.

delephont that is EXACTLY my thoughts . vampyric space marines would be good but damn hard to portray. nurgle orks would be good too and easier to portray.
i mean orks are a realy bad thing for any planet. so is chaos, so if you put them together then its awe inspiringly terrifying.

people dont have to have input, just an opinion they can type

cyborg vampyre space marines? so basicly blood angels with cyborg bits?

Tri wrote:cyborg vampyre space marines? so basicly blood angels with cyborg bits?

no
UNDEADblood angels with cyborg bits

but yeah they are pretty much cyborg blood angels with a bit more of an undeady feel

and THAT is why im leaning toward nurgle orks

Then again, Vampirism is a form of mutation by any other name....

So, if you really want to do a Vampire Space Marine legion, first and foremost these guys are Chaos, the Imperium would never accept them, and because of they way in which they are forced to sustain themselves, its unlikely they would want to be accepted by the Imperium.....I'm imagining huge floating Space Hulk like Crypts moving from sector to sector, only to pause to take on blood slaves.....

Now are these guys affraid of sunlight? My suggestion would be not, I would make these guys as UN-cliched as possible.

In modelling terms, heres my thoughts. Space Marine bodies, but Eldar / Elven bare heads...that gives them that "unfed" look, or that vampirical aloof look you'd expect from something that is basically immortal.

I'd use very few helmeted heads. Why? Vampires want to sink their teeth into your flesh, a bit difficult with a MK7 lid on your noggin. Paint those faces elf like pale, and make the eyes blood red with a firey centre......

What do you think? Vampire enough?

awesome idea's delephont. now im back where i started though nurgle orks or vampyre cyborg marines :S

Considering what my last suggestion, I've just down a search for Elf heads that might fit the bill, I'm thinking Warhammer fantasy Glade Guard heads would be cool....

Or definately Eldar bare heads.....I'd drop the Cyborg part, as why would something that is essentially undead require Cybernetic enhancements....of course, vampires regenerate at an amazing rate.....

I may try this myself on my own Chaos legion, not vampires you understand, but I was considering a twist on your usual Black Legion Khornate warriors....pale skin, blood red eyes....much better than orks me thinks

the cybernetic element it basicly to explain the origins of the vampryn (read the fluff on the topic about it, links at the top). it isnt THAT pronounced bar a few mutated limbs covered in wires. what do you think as a paint scheme though. emphisis on the red (representing the whole blood thing) or black (just to give it a more evil feel)

Well, why do they have to be evil as such? I mean evil as a concept is fairly relative.....is the Lion evil when it kills the Zebra? or is it good because it then feeds its "family"?

Perhaps these Marines are simply what they are, but do not necessarily count themselves as for or against the Imperium.....almost like the Soul Drinkers chapter, but without the endless moralising, etc...

As for paint scheme, well the field is wide open...personally I'd go for something that offsets the facial colouring....so I think it would have to be a dark colour.....becuase like I say you probably want the heads to really stand out....perhaps a really dark smokey, rock like grey, things like the Aquila would simply be the same colour with no etchings....but I would shade the armour with deep browns or black to give the Marines a sinister, brooding feel.....

right then it seems im going to have to go for the Vampryn then btw is the name and the fluff any good?

I was thinking the name Vampryn is a bit obvious, now that you ask....thats not necessarily a bad thing, but it might be more interesting to explore some names that are more to do with the Marines predicament then an obvious hail to what they have become....I was thinking something like Vanguard could be a nice name...as they were the force that went to explore the world and as the vanguard to their company and fell foul to the planets infection...or even The Forsaken....but its your force, you must chose.

The fluff you've breated isn't bad....but not exactly in keeping with the more brutalish ways of the Imperium....i.e if I don't understand it, kill it...kind of thing.

I like the use of nano swarms...very Infinity-esque....but I'd like to understand who would have the tech to be able to out-do the Emporers gene plans....could this be linked to the Necrons? so how about if these warriors also have the pariah gene as standard? Also, these nano swarms are trying to exert their directives over the Marines...how much of the Marines own ego, personality remains? How have the Marines managed to salvage themselves under the sway of this virus? Perhaps some type of explanation about a possible symbiosis is required.....the Marines get something for being the host to these swarms and the swarms in turn get something for being part of the host....

A good set of books you could read by, I think, Brian Lumley...about the Wamphyri....really good books, IMHO, and they could provide a rich background source for your new chapter...

namewise i wasnt suer about the vampryn myself. i mean forsaken sounds more like they have been cursed, but the marines who have kept controll over their bodies think the conversion is good. the vangaurd sounds interesting but still a bit plain. ill ponder the name over at school. the vampgaurd?

in answer to the whole symbiosis question. nearly all of the converted IG are just drones controlled by the nanobots. the marines who fought against the transformation also went insane and are merley hosts. the marines who accepted their fate stayed in controll of their bodies. The nanobots get an army to spread the infection and the marines who were thinking of defecting (those who accepted the nanobots) gained power over the troops and great strengh/speed.

the most powerfull of the converted marines had complete control over their bodies. the marines with less will power but still didnt fight against the nanobots had limited control, they still could move and fight and do anything they wanted but the nanobots constantly implanted thoughts into the marines minds.

in responce to the whole if you dont understand it kill it thing, by the time the marines understood what was happening the whole chapter was infected. the virus moves fast.

So were you thinking along the lines on your "Vampryn"

STYLE A:


STYLE B:


STYLE C:

AND as far as a name: The Blood Lost? Or just the "LOST"

Or the "lost and forgotten"

nurgle orks are super cool, would you use them as orks or chaos though? The surprised ork thing, would look even funnier if you could do them being surprised at a sudden mutation to themself!

Vampire marines cool too. From the pics i'd go with model style 2, paint scheme 1. Also throw in some tomb stones etc. Do cloaks tattared to give a bit more of an undead feel to them, assult marines with bat wings instead of jump packs? Tanks either look like tombs or sort of floating ships (not to be confused with dark eldar though!)

model style 2 but with a slightly different version of paint style one. did you make those yourself?

lost and forgotten sounds a but too much like lost and the dammed. blood lost is ok but lacks pizzazz and LOST is a tv show

Well, Space Marines have a lot of Latin influence...

Vrykolakas is the Greco-Roman version of the Vampire. See what you can do with that word.

So, which rules set are you going to use for the "Vampryn" - Chaos or Loyalist Marines? Loyalist Marines are getting all sorts of new toys in a little bit, but with Chaos you could use the Cultist and Mark rules...

i was planning on flip flopping between CSM and SM.
i was also thinking of using the latin word for vampyre as a base but i coulding think of anything clever.
Vrykolakas....

anyone got any ideas?