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Hot off the presses, the 2008 Chicago Grand Tournament results can be found here.

THANKS!

Whoo, tied for 10th place. I'm quite surprised, my battle scores started horribly.

Congratz to Neil for 2 big wins so far this season with the Invitational and Chicago 2008 GT.

Looks like its good to be green, and Tau didn't seem to do to badly either. Hmm.

Markerlights negating cover and Disruption pod vehicles are pure gold. Bonding aint bad either since troops are scoring to the last man.

Is it me, or does it seem like this is the year of the Green Tide?

Fresh off of their win in the LVGT, they take the top spot at Chicago.

Not only did they win, but they were 3 of the top 7, and 5 out of the top 15.

The green tide is really hard to beat. I faced it in the 2nd round, and even with noise marines and lashes, I simply couldn't kill enough to do anything but hide my troops in their land raiders and hope the powerklaws didn't get through for the last few turns.

There are just too many models that can put presure on you all game.

Go Neil, and go Wrecking Crew.

This is indeed an impressive year for WC. We can't be stopped!

dont jinx it Shane.

I'm sure you play the army well, maybe perfectly, but all I think is that you've identified a game breaking codex and painted up the figures to play it. What GW NIMROD, yes, that's an insult, didn't predict that an army that inflicts an average of 30 Strength 7 hits across the board per turn for 675 points along with all kinds of other mayhem inducing creations would be nearly invincible.

Maybe the tournament organizers will start putting some large tall ridges across the middle of the board to at
at least give some armies a prayer of avoiding some of that fire.

Personally I hope all Ork players bake in Redeemer flames, but that probably won't help either.....Hope Orks finish one through 10 in battle points at the Baltimore GT. Maybe someone will get the message.

My money is on Orks for Baltimore, but not because of the codex, but the player instead. And they will have no lootas.

Congrats to everyone. While I myself hate having my face stomped in by orks, it is nice to see them get some respect finally after all this time.

Wait a dang minute... 58 40k players??? That's it??

Guess Adepticon really is trying to get the Chicago GT canceled...

Dear Darkness,

Sorry, but you can't prove that it is the 'player' and not the 'codex' by showing up and playing the alleged game breaking codex, lootas or not. Prove that wreckingcrew really is supreme by bringing anything other than Orks and finishing undefeated, refuting my argument. Are you and Shane up to the challenge-or does the Ork Codex really need an FAQ....Show me I'm wrong.

mikeguth wrote:Dear Darkness,

Sorry, but you can't prove that it is the 'player' and not the 'codex' by showing up and playing the alleged game breaking codex, lootas or not. Prove that wreckingcrew really is supreme by bringing anything other than Orks and finishing undefeated, refuting my argument. Are you and Shane up to the challenge-or does the Ork Codex really need an FAQ....Show me I'm wrong.

Part of being a good general is the ability to field an effective army list.

mikeguth wrote:Dear Darkness,

Sorry, but you can't prove that it is the 'player' and not the 'codex' by showing up and playing the alleged game breaking codex, lootas or not. Prove that wreckingcrew really is supreme by bringing anything other than Orks and finishing undefeated, refuting my argument. Are you and Shane up to the challenge-or does the Ork Codex really need an FAQ....Show me I'm wrong.

The reason WC has taken Orks is because its what finished

stjohn70 wrote:Wait a dang minute... 58 40k players??? That's it??

Guess Adepticon really is trying to get the Chicago GT canceled...

Chicago city alone has almost as many people as our entire country, and we still managed to get more than that Let alone the travellers!

mikeguth wrote:Dear Darkness,

Sorry, but you can't prove that it is the 'player' and not the 'codex' by showing up and playing the alleged game breaking codex, lootas or not. Prove that wreckingcrew really is supreme by bringing anything other than Orks and finishing undefeated, refuting my argument. Are you and Shane up to the challenge-or does the Ork Codex really need an FAQ....Show me I'm wrong.

Mike, do you have a grudge against orks or something? You seem to have alot of ill will towards an army.

Turnout was low, but IMNSHO, the quality of the players was quite high. There were a lot of factors that hurt turnout, and I talked with Dave Taylor a bit about them.

In no particular order, and to varying degrees of importance:

#1 - The economy - money's getting tight for a lot of people
#2 - The schedule - sandwiching Chicago a month between LV and Balt. probably hurt, especially with the cost of travel these days. With family obligations, I know a lot of people simply couldn't leave for a weekend three months in a row, especially with:
#3 - Ard Boyz scheduling their semis a week after Chicago.
#4 - Flatcon (a regional gaming convention) taking place at the same time, which effectively removed all of the usual southern IL, southern IN, and St. Louis area players from the event.
#5 - Fall as opposed to summer, meaning it was much more difficult for the younger players who could attend in the summer (when the GT was previously held).
#6 - A wedding (seriously) involving one of the AdeptiCon founders which involved some of the AdeptiCon staff (especially the ones from the Chicago area who are tournament regulars).

Dave described it as "A perfect storm", which probably isn't that far from the truth. '

That said...it was a great weekend, and I've got lots of pics and reports to write (as soon as I can find the time). For those who care, my 8-day-wonder Daemons (which Dave Taylor used to make a Dakka plug during the awards), went 3-2 for the weekend, but I'm quite happy with how they performed in general. One game was a close loss - 6 kill points for me, and 7 for my opponent, and the other game was simply one in which my dice decided to abandon me at key moments (like the 1 failed 3+ save that killed off an icon, and the subsequent occurances that scattered three key units (the Bluescribes, Flamers, and Plaguebearers) onto enemy units...where they all decided to disappear into the warp).

Doctor Thunder wrote:

mikeguth wrote:Dear Darkness,

Sorry, but you can't prove that it is the 'player' and not the 'codex' by showing up and playing the alleged game breaking codex, lootas or not. Prove that wreckingcrew really is supreme by bringing anything other than Orks and finishing undefeated, refuting my argument. Are you and Shane up to the challenge-or does the Ork Codex really need an FAQ....Show me I'm wrong.

Part of being a good general is the ability to field an effective army list.

I have to disagree. The effective ork army is almost point and click at this point. Congrats to the winner but winning with orks at a GT is too easy. Not sure how they did in 'Ardboyz but I don't see that trend changing.

Part of being a good general is the ability to field an effective army list.

I have to disagree. The effective ork army is almost point and click at this point. Congrats to the winner but winning with orks at a GT is too easy. Not sure how they did in 'Ardboyz but I don't see that trend changing.

You're right, good generals dont have to come up with effective army lists to win, as evidenced by the HUGE amounts of Dark Angel overall wins along with the many best general winners that feature 9 penitant engines in their armies.

It just seems like a lazy way to win (with orks) I guess. I can't properly describe the feeling. I guess "dirty" would be the best way.

It would be similar to when drop podding SMs first came on the scene and everyone gave the winners a hard time.

A good general also knows that most of his opponents at a tournament have built a list to win. Its stupid-talk to handicap yourself if you are aiming to win a tournament especially the size of a GT where every point counts.

I can sort of understand holding the Baltimore GT later in the season since that Games Day is usually in the first half of the year, but Chicago was just over 2 months ago, I really don't see why they don't schedule them the same weekend, have the GD on Saturday, with the team GTs Friday, and the singles GTs Sunday.

thehod wrote:A good general also knows that most of his opponents at a tournament have built a list to win. Its stupid-talk to handicap yourself if you are aiming to win a tournament especially the size of a GT where every point counts.

The Orks do seem very easy to win with and that is why I will never play them, and even though I like the WC guys, I can't help but be unimpressed by winning with Orks.

It is like winning a Fantasy GT with Demons, I can't help but think it was mostly the army rather than the player.

Orks+a good player > Army X+a good player

derek wrote:I can sort of understand holding the Baltimore GT later in the season since that Games Day is usually in the first half of the year, but Chicago was just over 2 months ago, I really don't see why they don't schedule them the same weekend, have the GD on Saturday, with the team GTs Friday, and the singles GTs Sunday.

Hi Derek

The idea of holding the Chicago GT (a 2-day, 5-game event) in October was actually in response to a large number of requests we've received from Chicago GT attendees over the last few years while the GT was held at Chicago Games Day (3 games on Friday, 2 games on Saturday). The thinking behind the move was that it would allow our team to concentrate on running a great GT and the participants could also get extra gaming in (on Friday/Sat evening in the form of the Doubles events and open gaming) if they wanted to, without the distractions of the Waaaghs and announcements of the Games Day floor. Holding it in October places it six months after/before Adepticon.

Hopefully that clears up why it was separate from Games Day this year.

Cheers
Dave

Winning with Orks in 5th edition is no more impressive than winning with a 20 man Seer Council, Siren Prince list or Iron Warriors was in 4th.

In fact it's probably significantly less impressive. At least those armies were relatively simple builds and had to contend with each other. All the Ork hordes have to contend with are the few other players with the tenacity and will, or pockets deep enough to pay for someone else's tenacity and will, to paint the damn thing.

I think one of the other issues surrounding the lack of attendance at the Chicago GT was partially due to the location. This was IIRC the same location as Adepticon was this year and many people who where local and went to that event most likely didn't like the added costst associated with the tournament. These were no free parking, and no affordable places to eat within walking distance of the hotel.

I for one would not go back if it is held in the same location. Hopefully the location next year will be more player friendly. Also on that note the previous year when it was in Schaumburgh there was a lot more that could be don in terms of eating and entertainment without breaking the bank.