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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090218/ap_on_re_as/as_clinton_indonesia

the bush shoe incident was all the rave for a good long time.... mabe this is just the "Fair" and "Balanced" media being... well, "Fair" and "Balanced"

or how about this one

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=12103688&ch=4226714&src=news

good for you Mr. Pope.



mabey i am just not giving it enough time... i might see a little bit about them for a few seconds.

So... what exactly are you blathering on about?

Clinton goes to Indonesia to talk up relations… has what to do with a shoe being thrown at a President. It’s not just a case of pretending not to see a particularly contrived or obtuse link, I just can’t see any link at all.

I think he found this quote and conflated it with the bush incident:

"Her message was received warmly by officials in Jakarta, the childhood home of President Barack Obama, although small and scattered protests were held in several cities, with some Islamic hard-liners setting tires on fire and others throwing shoes at caricatures of Clinton."

Which, of course, is completely ridiculous. The Bush event was an amazing moment - one of the last attempted PR events for the president involving a protest most in the west had ever even heard of. It was filmed, and a perfect photo op, and actually involved the president, not some jokers and a caricature on the outskirts of town.

Sometimes events are a big deal...because they're a big deal. Other times they're a big deal because they're exciting/interesting/bizzare, which is what the shoe throwing fits under (it may also be a "big deal" on it's own, but obviously not to both sides).

To compare that to this is the absolute worst. People who do this are so desperate to try to find some evidence that the media is biased that they'll seriously pick out the most ridiculous things and say "see? see?" and then just use your incredulity as MORE "evidence" for their stance.

What I am saying is a shoe gets thrown at bush, and its all over the news.

This happens, and meh.

EDIT : Iambadomy..... you actualy think the media is NOT biased???

Why in gods name would Shoe getting thrown at Bush be the same as small protests against a Clinton visit?

She's not president

No shoes were thrown at her

There are always protests

Even if the media is biased (of course it is, every media source is biased in some direction - hello Fox News.) this event isn't proof, it's not even vaguely decent evidence. It makes you look like you're grasping at straws. If the media is so biased I'm sure you can find good examples, there's no reason to bring up this non-example. It just makes it harder to believe any legitimate claims of bias. You've heard of the boy who cried wolf right?

Yeh this kind of thing happens all the time, it's not in the news for the same reason they don't report every car crash. Not because they're bias on this particular subject.

Envy89 wrote:What I am saying is a shoe gets thrown at bush, and its all over the news.

This happens, and meh.

So are you arguing that the shoe thrown at Bush shouldn't have been in the news, or that minor protests in the general vincinity of Clinton should be a lead in story to the nightly news?

lambadomy wrote:I think he found this quote and conflated it with the bush incident:

"Her message was received warmly by officials in Jakarta, the childhood home of President Barack Obama, although small and scattered protests were held in several cities, with some Islamic hard-liners setting tires on fire and others throwing shoes at caricatures of Clinton."

Which, of course, is completely ridiculous.

Ah, thanks, I had missed that. And yeah, it is.

What ? The Pope's against abortion !!! And he mentioned this when he met a politician from a country that allows it ? Wow! This must be the first time a Pope has ever said anything at all on this subject.

And....it's news when people protest a visit by an American politician ? Really ?

People could argue the news is not left enough.

Yeah this is not news, simply because it's too mundane.

It's not a bias thing in this instance.