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I have read the stories and background of the fantastic 4 in their respective codecies, but I have always wondered what planets the other primarchs (especially the chaos ones) were stranded on. I haven't read any of the HH novels, so basically, I only have the most vague idea of what they are like. So I would appreciate if anyone wanted to take the time to tell me.

Paul Atreides wrote:I have read the stories and background of the fantastic 4 in their respective codecies, but I have always wondered what planets the other primarchs (especially the chaos ones) were stranded on. I haven't read any of the HH novels, so basically, I only have the most vague idea of what they are like. So I would appreciate if anyone wanted to take the time to tell me.

The HH novels, for the most part are worth reading. Save like two. Read them.

The Primarch's homeworlds?
Let's see

Loyalist
Lion El'Jonson (DA)- Caliban (Destroyed)
Jaghatai Khan (WS)- Chogoris
Leman Russ (SW)- Fenris
Rogal Dorn (IF)- Terra
Sanguinius (BA)- Baal
Ferrus Manus (IH)- Medusa (not to be confused with Medusa V)
Vulkan (SA)- Nocturne
Corax (RG)- Deliverance (a moon previously named Lycaeus)

Traitors
Fulgrim (EC)- Chemos (Unknown Status, presumed destroyed)
Peturabo (IW)- Olympia (Destroyed)
Konrad Curze (aka Night Haunter)(NL)- Nostramo (Destroyed)
Angron (WE)- Desh'ea (Destroyed)
Mortarion (DG)- Barbarus (Destroyed)
Magnus the Red (TS)- Prospero (Destroyed)
Horus (LW/SoH/BL)- Cthonia (Destroyed)
Lorgar (WB)- Colchis (Destroyed)
Alpharius (AL)- Unknown

Isn't Lion El'Jonson in the rock somewhere?

And Leman Russ in the eye of terror?

all those dead chaos primarchs make me smile =). the Emperor's might is made manifest through the destruction of his foes

P4NC4K3 wrote:Traitors
Fulgrim (EC)- Chemos (Unknown Status, presumed destroyed)
Peturabo (IW)- Olympia (Destroyed)
Konrad Curze (aka Night Haunter)(NL)- Nostramo (Destroyed)
Angron (WE)- Desh'ea (Destroyed)
Mortarion (DG)- Barbarus (Destroyed)
Magnus the Red (TS)- Prospero (Destroyed)
Horus (LW/SoH/BL)- Cthonia (Destroyed)
Lorgar (WB)- Colchis (Destroyed)
Alpharius (AL)- Unknown

And a number of the Primarchs destroyed their own homeworlds. I don't know all of them, but iirc, Mortarion, Peturabo, and Curze all destroyed their homeworlds.

P4NC4K3 wrote:The Primarch's homeworlds?
Let's see
Traitors
Angron (WE)- Desh'ea (Destroyed)

wasn't it "unknown"

haha thats so dumb. only chaos would destroy their own planets. their stupidity amuses the God Emperor

The Angry Commissar wrote:haha thats so dumb. only chaos would destroy their own planets. their stupidity amuses the God Emperor

Well they did retreat to the Eye of Terror, they didn't want to leave those planets for Imperial filth to colonize.

The Angry Commissar wrote:all those dead chaos primarchs make me smile =).

All the dead Loyalist Primarchs made me smile (Which is most of 'em BTW) especially considering Khan isn't necessarily dead...

1hadhq wrote:[
wasn't it "unknown"

I dunno, I got this list from Wikipedia (not the MOST reliable I ken) In the 4th Ed SM codex it is listed as unknown but I think it may have been named in the HH series, IDK as I have not read the HH series (I keep my nerdiness safely confined to painting/gaming TYVM)

P4NC4K3 wrote:

The Angry Commissar wrote:all those dead chaos primarchs make me smile =).

All the dead Loyalist Primarchs made me smile (Which is most of 'em BTW) especially considering Khan isn't necessarily dead...

What he said, more of the Chaos Primarchs are still around.

Magnus: Alive
Mortarion: Alive
Angron: Alive
Fulgrim: Alive
Horus: R.I.P
Perturabo: Alive
Lorgar: Alive
Night Haunter: Dead
Alpharius/Omegon: Unknown as they may be twins.

See that's two out of nine.

Based on the APOC datasheet for Angron, he's not all that and a bag of chips. Heck, he's less points than the FW Bloodthirster of all Bloodthirsters.

The Thousandth Son wrote:

P4NC4K3 wrote:

The Angry Commissar wrote:all those dead chaos primarchs make me smile =).

All the dead Loyalist Primarchs made me smile (Which is most of 'em BTW) especially considering Khan isn't necessarily dead...

What he said, more of the Chaos Primarchs are still around.

Magnus: Alive
Mortarion: Alive
Angron: Alive
Fulgrim: Alive
Horus: R.I.P
Perturabo: Alive
Lorgar: Alive
Night Haunter: Dead
Alpharius/Omegon: Unknown as they may be twins.

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There are some great resources out there to improve your Primarch IQ:

The Lexicanum: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

Warhammer Wiki: http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Or the Index Astartes series... if there are any left out there. The Index Astartes was a regular column in White Dwarf about the 40k universe and were put into four books. However, they are a bit tough to get but I think you might be able to find them on the Interwebz for download. These were the most in-depth I've found, save for the lore you could get from 2nd Edition.

Good luck!

I remember reading somewhere that Alpharius was killed... Dunno though, it was old

P4NC4K3 wrote:

1hadhq wrote:
wasn't it "unknown"

I dunno, I got this list from Wikipedia (not the MOST reliable I ken) In the 4th Ed SM codex it is listed as unknown but I think it may have been named in the HH series, IDK as I have not read the HH series (I keep my nerdiness safely confined to painting/gaming TYVM)

Research on wiki,lexicanum,HH-novels,Visions of...,SM/CSm codices got all the same result: Homeworld=unknown.

If anyone has a reliable source, please inform me.




Do former primarchs transmutated to demons still count as living-primarchs?
I doubt that.

I don't think you got what I was getting at. The fantastic 4 became rulers of utopian worlds, or at least compared to what they were before their coming. I wondered what worlds the other ones grew up on and how they were changed by them. I want a brief history on their homes, their cultures, societies technological levels and so on.

Alpharius is probably dead. Gulliman fought him and came out top, but not even the Ultramarines are sure if Alpharius is dead.

P4NC4K3 wrote:The Primarch's homeworlds?
Let's see

Loyalist
Lion El'Jonson (DA)- Caliban (Destroyed)
Jaghatai Khan (WS)- Chogoris
Leman Russ (SW)- Fenris
Rogal Dorn (IF)- Terra
Sanguinius (BA)- Baal
Ferrus Manus (IH)- Medusa (not to be confused with Medusa V)
Vulkan (SA)- Nocturne
Corax (RG)- Deliverance (a moon previously named Lycaeus)

Traitors
Fulgrim (EC)- Chemos (Unknown Status, presumed destroyed)
Peturabo (IW)- Olympia (Destroyed)
Konrad Curze (aka Night Haunter)(NL)- Nostramo (Destroyed)
Angron (WE)- Desh'ea (Destroyed)
Mortarion (DG)- Barbarus (Destroyed)
Magnus the Red (TS)- Prospero (Destroyed)
Horus (LW/SoH/BL)- Cthonia (Destroyed)
Lorgar (WB)- Colchis (Destroyed)
Alpharius (AL)- Unknown

Are we sure Prospero is destroied? In the eth ed rulebook they show it's location. I know they could be just telling where it was but, I found that interesting. Also forgive my ignorince but, who are the fantastic 4 primarchs? Are they the ones responsible for the current chaos cultits? Magus, Angron, Mortarion, and Fgrim?

Prospero was destroyed by Leman Russ after he gave the Sons a beating on the world (Damn Space Puppies, we let 'em win!)
I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) but the Fantastic Four are the Primarchs who have their own Codices
Sanguinius
Lion El'Jonson
Leman Russ
Roboute Guilliman

OK Guilliman doesn't strictly have his own codex, but Codex SM might as well be Codex: Ultrasmurfs

That's what it should be named.

Only reason i asked was because it shows Prospero in the rulebook and wondered why. I don't belive it shows most if any of the other destroied planets.

Yup - sorry, in response to the original poster, who exactly are the fantastic 4?

Do you mean Guilliman, Russ, Sanguinius and Jonson? If so,

* Guilliman created a utopia in Ultramar
* Jonson destroyed the beasts that ravaged his world. But when he returned to it he destroyed it, creating The Rock.
* Russ adopted his world, but didn't really change it into a utopia.
* Sanguinius created a fairer society, but didn't really change the radiation-soaked moon he lived on.

So they didn't exactly create utopias. IIRC the only ones who came from utopian societies were Guilliman and Rogal Dorn. As far as the other loyalists...

* Khan killed off a tyrannical ruling class and turned his world into a sort of medaeval learning centre.
* Vulcan adopted his homeworld's customs and fire-cult beliefs.
* Ferrus Manus adopted his toxic homeworlds customs of harsh, wandering clans.
* Not sure about Corax

The Thousandth Son wrote:

P4NC4K3 wrote:

The Angry Commissar wrote:all those dead chaos primarchs make me smile =).

All the dead Loyalist Primarchs made me smile (Which is most of 'em BTW) especially considering Khan isn't necessarily dead...

What he said, more of the Chaos Primarchs are still around.

Magnus: Alive
Mortarion: Alive
Angron: Alive
Fulgrim: Alive
Horus: R.I.P
Perturabo: Alive
Lorgar: Alive
Night Haunter: Dead
Alpharius/Omegon: Unknown as they may be twins.

See that's two out of nine.

Alpharius and omegon are twins.

Fulgrim is dead, well mind is.
His body bin taken by a deamon hihi.

Is horus actually DEAD?????????????????
Why should the emperor servive and horus die?

greetz typhoon

Typhoon wrote:

The Thousandth Son wrote:

P4NC4K3 wrote:

The Angry Commissar wrote:all those dead chaos primarchs make me smile =).

All the dead Loyalist Primarchs made me smile (Which is most of 'em BTW) especially considering Khan isn't necessarily dead...

What he said, more of the Chaos Primarchs are still around.

Magnus: Alive
Mortarion: Alive
Angron: Alive
Fulgrim: Alive
Horus: R.I.P
Perturabo: Alive
Lorgar: Alive
Night Haunter: Dead
Alpharius/Omegon: Unknown as they may be twins.

See that's two out of nine.

Alpharius and omegon are twins.

Fulgrim is dead, well mind is.
His body bin taken by a deamon hihi.

Is horus actually DEAD?????????????????
Why should the emperor servive and horus die?

greetz typhoon

Iirc, in the Ultrasmurf codex, not the new one but the story is that he killed Horus in the last moments of his life. Horus wounded him mortally but the Emperor just killed him with a lucky blow.

ArbitorIan wrote:Yup - sorry, in response to the original poster, who exactly are the fantastic 4?

Do you mean Guilliman, Russ, Sanguinius and Jonson? If so,

* Guilliman created a utopia in Ultramar
* Jonson destroyed the beasts that ravaged his world. But when he returned to it he destroyed it, creating The Rock.
* Russ adopted his world, but didn't really change it into a utopia.
* Sanguinius created a fairer society, but didn't really change the radiation-soaked moon he lived on.

So they didn't exactly create utopias. IIRC the only ones who came from utopian societies were Guilliman and Rogal Dorn. As far as the other loyalists...

* Khan killed off a tyrannical ruling class and turned his world into a sort of medaeval learning centre.
* Vulcan adopted his homeworld's customs and fire-cult beliefs.
* Ferrus Manus adopted his toxic homeworlds customs of harsh, wandering clans.
* Not sure about Corax

Corax freed his planet (industrial world + mining), most of his guerilla tactics come from this time.
Now its a world capable of the same output as a forgeworld.
And location of deliverance varies in codex/BRB = homeworld moves in shadows?

The Thousandth Son wrote:

P4NC4K3 wrote:

The Angry Commissar wrote:all those dead chaos primarchs make me smile =).

All the dead Loyalist Primarchs made me smile (Which is most of 'em BTW) especially considering Khan isn't necessarily dead...

What he said, more of the Chaos Primarchs are still around.

Magnus: Alive and a demon!
Mortarion: Alive and a demon!
Angron: Alive and a demon! And banished into the warp for a millenium or so....
Fulgrim: Alive and a demon...took over his body after destroying his soul.
Horus: R.I.P
Perturabo: Alive and a demon!
Lorgar: Alive and a demon!
Night Haunter: Dead We can't be sure about Night Haunter. He saw it coming and then the signal broke off.
Alpharius/Omegon: Unknown as they may be twins. If Aplpharius and Omegon (of whom I've never heard of btw.) are twins, does that mean that there's a not-evil one?

See that's two out of nine.

ArbitorIan wrote:Yup - sorry, in response to the original poster, who exactly are the fantastic 4?

Do you mean Guilliman, Russ, Sanguinius and Jonson? If so,

* Guilliman created a utopia in Ultramar which got destroyed by 'Nids, didn't it?
* Jonson destroyed the beasts that ravaged his world. But when he returned to it he destroyed it, creating The Rock.
* Russ adopted his world, but didn't really change it into a utopia. It is if you're a viking. Or a werewolf. Or both.
* Sanguinius created a fairer society, but didn't really change the radiation-soaked moon he lived on.

So they didn't exactly create utopias. IIRC the only ones who came from utopian societies were Guilliman and Rogal Dorn. As far as the other loyalists...
....
* Not sure about Corax He sat in his tower and wrote poetry.

Anung Un Rama wrote:

The Thousandth Son wrote:

P4NC4K3 wrote:

The Angry Commissar wrote:all those dead chaos primarchs make me smile =).

All the dead Loyalist Primarchs made me smile (Which is most of 'em BTW) especially considering Khan isn't necessarily dead...

What he said, more of the Chaos Primarchs are still around.

Magnus: Alive and a demon!
Mortarion: Alive and a demon!
Angron: Alive and a demon! And banished into the warp for a millenium or so....
Fulgrim: Alive and a demon...took over his body after destroying his soul.
Horus: R.I.P
Perturabo: Alive and a demon!
Lorgar: Alive and a demon!
Night Haunter: Dead We can't be sure about Night Haunter. He saw it coming and then the signal broke off.
Alpharius/Omegon: Unknown as they may be twins. If Aplpharius and Omegon (of whom I've never heard of btw.) are twins, does that mean that there's a not-evil one?

See that's two out of nine.

ArbitorIan wrote:Yup - sorry, in response to the original poster, who exactly are the fantastic 4?

Do you mean Guilliman, Russ, Sanguinius and Jonson? If so,

* Guilliman created a utopia in Ultramar which got destroyed by 'Nids, didn't it?
* Jonson destroyed the beasts that ravaged his world. But when he returned to it he destroyed it, creating The Rock.
* Russ adopted his world, but didn't really change it into a utopia. It is if you're a viking. Or a werewolf. Or both.
* Sanguinius created a fairer society, but didn't really change the radiation-soaked moon he lived on.

So they didn't exactly create utopias. IIRC the only ones who came from utopian societies were Guilliman and Rogal Dorn. As far as the other loyalists...
....
* Not sure about Corax He sat in his tower and wrote poetry.

Nice and improved now

Anung Un Rama wrote:

The Thousandth Son wrote:

P4NC4K3 wrote:

The Angry Commissar wrote:all those dead chaos primarchs make me smile =).

All the dead Loyalist Primarchs made me smile (Which is most of 'em BTW) especially considering Khan isn't necessarily dead...

What he said, more of the Chaos Primarchs are still around.

Magnus: Alive and a demon!
Mortarion: Alive and a demon!
Angron: Alive and a demon! And banished into the warp for a millenium or so....
Fulgrim: Alive and a demon...took over his body after destroying his soul.
Horus: R.I.P
Perturabo: Alive and a demon!
Lorgar: Alive and a demon!
Night Haunter: Dead We can't be sure about Night Haunter. He saw it coming and then the signal broke off.
Alpharius/Omegon: Unknown as they may be twins. If Aplpharius and Omegon (of whom I've never heard of btw.) are twins, does that mean that there's a not-evil one?

See that's two out of nine.

In the horus-heresy novels(black library) Legion, they first spoke of alparius and omegon.
Its a great novel with some nice twist at the end and the role of Alpha legions cause in the heresy.
don't want to spoil the fun for others so please read it.
I enjoyed it because alpha legion isn't a chapter were alot is written about
As the first primarch was special( horus equal to the emperor), the last primarch's were special too (they were twins).

greetz typhoon

greetz typhoon

Yes, you got it right, lion el'johnson, leman russ, guilleman, sanguinus, they are the fantastic 4.

And thanks arbiterian, that was just what I was getting at. I know what planets the primarchs grew up on, but nothing about the planets. I heard something about angron and some gladiator-like arena, and how the emperor saved him and that angron was not very happy about it, what was that all about?