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So, reading up on WOTR/LOTR, I'm getting excited, but which part do I actually need to play? Do you need both the LOTR and WOTR rulebooks, or just one or the other? How many models do you need? I have a small group of about 10 high elves and elrond, how many more would I need to have a decent sized game? How many points is a good sized game?

I'm in your boat, and interested in the responses of the more experienced? What says Dakka?

Hah! I'm not the only one! Also, what's the deal with the movement tray's/bases?

you only need the rule book for the one you want to play.

If you want to play smaller games, go LOTR. (500pts generally)

If you want to play Apoc games, go WOTR. (1.5k~2k+)

The movement trays are only for WOTR, and are ment to represent companys of models.

You probly need a few more High Elves for LOTR, and definitly more for WOTR.

My Husabnd's 2k WOTR list is like 6 boxes of "Warriors of the Last Alliance" and a few heroes

LotR is skirmish based, so you're moving each model individually, working out shooting and melee on a model by model basis. LotR is generally suitable for up to about 50 models a side, after that, the skirmish nature makes the game bog down and take forever. 10 Elves and Elrond would be a small army, probably like 150-200 points, with about half that in Elrond. Elves are elite, with high stats, so you won't have as many models. Games are typically anywhere from 350 to 1000 pts, although 500 to 700 seems more 'typical'. At 500 points, I'd expect elves to have about 30 models tops, where Goblins would be like 60 and Gondor around 45.

In LotR, you can have up to 1/3 your models armed with bows, and you generally want to get the max in your list.

You do not need movement trays for LotR. You can stratch-build your own for WotR, and the rulebook has numerous examples of doing so. In fact, it is one of the things that I really like about the book, since it's not screaming 'buy the official GW movement tray', but is instead focused on the player and hobbyist.

I have not got into WotR yet, but hope to soon.

High Elves are getting done in a few months and look great. I haven't seen a chariot for them yet, but in the LotR Legions book, they get units of them.

For LotR, you would want the LotR rulebook and Legions of Middle Earth. For WotR, you just need the WotR rulebook. The rulebooks are not 'cross-compatiable' in any fashion, so if you only play one system, you only need to get that one.

Maybe I need to clarify. I've played LOTR in the past, but now I see WOTR and LOTR and I'm not quite sure what the difference is? Are WOTR games really 1500 pts????? That's a ridiculous amount of models if the prices are similar to LOTR. I've played a few 500 point games in LOTR and it was 30-40 models or more a side.

It sounds like I can pick up WOTR and a few more elves and some command and I should be ok?

WOTR is pointed very differently from LOTR. For example, a company of 8 Mordor orks is 15 points.

Reading up on the GW website answers many questions. However, here is my quick overview:

LOTR & WOTR are two different games. The only thing that they share in common is the models and some of the general gaming rules are similar. If you want to only play LOTR you do not need to buy movement trays or the WOTR rulebook. If you want to only play WOTR you only need the WOTR rulebook, movement trays, and models.

LOTR is a skirmish game meaning, in general, every model is an individual and has its own set of rules and can take actions independent of other models. This usually works best for specific scenarios involving low model count. Imagine a 40k game where every ork or space marine model could choose where it will move and who it could fight instead of acting like a squad.

WOTR is a more company based, like 40k or war hammer Fantasy. You have companies of infantry, cavalry, or monsters that make up different formations. This is where the movement bases come in. A company of infantry has 8 models while a cavalry only has 2 models. In general, you can purchase a number of companies (usually 3-9) together to create a formation. Some things like monsters, count as being their own formation.

Heroes are a big part of LOTR, as they join a specific company and use their powers and abilities to help that company.

In WOTR you have other army creation rules in place. You can never have more “rare” units then common units in your army. You are also limited to only one of each legendary formation, meaning that you can’t have two Units that include Gimli running around. You can also have up to 25% of your points be made up from allies.

The points costs & unit abilities are different between the games, however the overall feel is still there.

I’m currently building a misty mountain army centered around a dragon for WOTR and can’t wait to play a game.

LOTR is WAY bettet than WOTR!

War of the Ring is my favorite of the two games... b/c its system just flows really well. However, with just 10 elves and elrond, you would not be able to feild a WOTR army right now, you would be able to do LOTR though...

WOTR is to complicated for me!

it does take a while to get the rules for WOTR down, but once you get em, it is really easy and flows very well

Feforfar wrote:LOTR is WAY bettet than WOTR!

Amazing. I am so glad that you drug up a thread that is several months old in order to tell the community that. I certainly hope that you start a new thread stating just this and more! Oh wait...you already did.

Feforfar wrote:WOTR is to complicated for me!

And that makes LotR better? Hell, if anything LotR is more complicated just because of the myriad amount of unique interactions with so many individual models.

Because of this, I have trouble swallowing your statement and beleive it lacks any critical veracity.

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