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I like to browse ...........

I like to trade overseas if the deal is right .........

All i see now is [USA] H Ork W Ork or similar gak - please release us from your stupid rules........


See my two posts on swap shop - at present one has been changed by a lamo the other is how i wanted it ........... which is more attractive??????

I'm not a huge fan of the new format either. It makes nothing stand out and doesn't seem to make a huge difference on how things are listed. meh...

I do like them consolidating the painting threads though.

As one of the SwapMods, I can't say I'm thrilled to hear our efforts to streamline the system described as 'spank'.

Feedback is feedback though, however crass.

The original reason for the new format was just to make it easier to scan so people could quickly find what they were interested in.

The whole H: orks W: orks thing has been there from the beginning. Adding the country of origin in the title was a little enforced rule added later on by frazzled(?). Adding whether it was Ebay or not was one of the new updates included after some members complained about the prolifity of Ebay auctions, and what a waste of time they were.

Being rules nazis is not our intent, but we are actually just upholding the rules the swap shop has had for some time now. It's just that the mod team never had the time to moderate that sub-forum effectively, hence, the swapmods came into existence.

If you have any positive suggestions, please, contribute them. Rules are subject to change if there is enough public feedback for them. There's a Swap shop suggestions thread in the Nuts and Bolts sub-forum for any ideas you may have.

My feedback is that i would like to browse offers, be able to see worldwide trade offers despite the country of seller - if i see Orks for sale [USA] i will assume seller is not interested in WW sale - what i really hate is someone changing my post - how about a nice, friendly pm asking me to revise it????

The country of origin being included did actually come up in the discussion between me and my compatriots, with some advocating for, and others against. It was initially going to be the first part of the post as was originally the case when the rule was introduced, however, it was put at the end of the post as a compromise to both sides.

The whole PM thing did come up as well, but at the end of the day, PMing EVERY person who posted an incorrect title would be vastly time-consuming, and not only that, the time difference between the PM being sent and the user next logging in to change it could result in it not being changed for 48 hours. The general consensus was that the rules were the rules, and that if an error was made, it should be swiftly and efficently corrected.

I like the new format. It makes sense. What is lost by having the country of origin included?

Maybe if they wanted it world wide, they have to advertise it: for example, [AUS] H: X W: X [WW shipping]

if the world wide symbol isn't present well, they don't post worldwide.

i for one, like the new system - its much more organized.

Ok look................

Tales of Heresy only £3 inc p&p
Gaunts Ghosts Omnibus - The Saint 4.50 inc p&p

AAAARRGGGGGGGGGGGGGhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i just want to trade, nicely, happily and as you can see very cheaply to support dakka and W40k members and fans, i have read these books, enjoyed them and am now offering them for far less than others so people like myself can continue this hobby for as little money as possible.

There was nothing personal in the editing of your title, it was just making it conform to the new format.

In this case, your kind of title is the exception, rather than the rule. Very few people name a straight flat out price for the goods they have, as such, that never arose when the discussion on titles was ongoing.

Everyone is interested in keeping the Swapshop running smoothly and enjoyably, us Swapmods probably more than most!-If you wanted to keep those title intact, not much of a change would be required- for example.

H: Tales of Heresy W: £3+P&P [UK]
H: Gaunts Ghost Omnibus-The Saint W:4.50+P&P [UK]

It gives slightly more information, and allows for quick concise reading. I'll admit, it causes it to lose that slightly personal touch, but for every nice title that gives all relevant info, there's ten not so nice ones that don't. As I said, you're the exception rather than the rule in this case.

Thanks Ketara for your reply it is very considerate, however the posts are not + P&P they included P&P - hence my titles saying only £3 inc P&P

Thanks

My biggest concern is actually the order of the H and W. Wouldn't it make more sense to put W first? If people are offering money for things that means that a lot of them will start with [H]$$$, which doesn't tell you anything.

I 'spose there's arguments for both sides though.

And what about questions? I got my Ltd. Ed. Skulz AdMech unit by putting up a "Does anyone have this?" thread, and got lucky that one very generous person did have what I wanted. Under the new formatting, would I have to put:

[H]$$$, [W]AdMech Skulz Unit, OZ

That'll just get lost with all the others?

Well in all honety i like the new format for its simplicity, sure its not perfect but what is ?

Aggression shouldn't be your first reaction, be polite, i'm sure it doesnt hurt to try ?

FREE TiBET!!!!!!!

I'm fine with it. It is fast to look through and see what is going on.

I still despise the "[H] Stuff [W] Other Stuff" titles though. Thanks for the info, buddy.

It looks fine to me.

"Note"
spank??? Really?

I can't imagine this being a descriptive word, isn't is spank#%? Perhaps something along the lines of not good, or perhaps I don't like the new format.

YES, you must be PROHP-AH online.

there IS a section for your comments about the site and its functions

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/55.page


It just seems to me -news or discussions - isn't the right place to provide constructive criticism to the Dakka Site.

Just saying in a friendly nudge way.


I am no mod though - its just a suggestions.



The new format is something different - and it was done for a reason - just to keep things tidy and clean~


I'm mixed feelings about it too - don't get me wrong about it - but it does its purpose.

We just have to get use to it.

One of the other SwapMods chiming in:

I'm glad that there's some discourse about the Swap Shop. We're trying to make things run smoother and more efficiently. Just keep the discussions civil, please (it's technically part of the overall Dakka rules anyways).

That being said, Ketara has explained most of the thinking process behind the rules.

Technically, they were already there to a certain extent - for the most part, we're just actually enforcing them now.

The new format was chosen to make it simple to see who has what and what they have to trade/sell. Is it pretty? No, not particularly. Does it get straight to the point? Yes. As nice as it is to have everyone come up with fun titles for their trades, ultimately, it does have a tendency of muddying up the forum and providing nebulous information about what's actually being made available to trade (not true for every case, but for enough). If you have suggestions on how to make this system better, by all means, we are all ears. After all, we're only human and we were basing it mostly off the pre-existing rules/guidelines.

As Ketara mentioned, the PMing would've taken far too long to implement the new rule, especially since many users don't actively check their inboxes on a daily basis. Apologies if the thread edits came off as unfriendly, but it really was the fastest way to roll out the guidelines and have decent conformity in the Swap Shop.

The Country Tags, as mentioned before, were a matter of debate (which I'll admit I was in favor for). Let me explain my reasoning on this:
If you are scrolling through the Swap Shop for a trade/sale, but you personally do not want to deal with International shipping, it's MUCH easier to look at the country tag and pass up on a thread that you don't want to deal with anyways, and considering how often peoples' country flag's don't necessarily reflect the country they're in, it's an extra measure to provide readily available information regarding the country. There had been suggestions previously of saying something like, [USA -will ship internationally], but that just adds clutter to thread titles. If you don't care about the tag, ignore it, and hopefully the post itself will have info. This system is also not perfect, and is up to debate - if consensus asks for it to be removed, we'll stop enforcing it - simple as that.

Honestly, I don't really like to be a hard-ass about these rules, but realistically, it's a LOT quicker to start having everyone follow at least the basic guidelines by being a little stricter to start with. Just by seeing most of the new posts , you can already see that people are starting to follow the guidelines more. If we were laxer at this start, I can assure you it would've taken a much longer time to get the swap-shop running simply.

@HBMC:
My thought on the order of the H and W is that most people scrolling down are initially interested in what other people have that they themselves might want - hence you would intrinsically look at what people had first. At least, that's how I see things. Obviously, this viewpoint isn't necessarily shared by everyone. I suppose depending on whether you're looking at this as a buyer or seller can really tint one's opinion of the matter. This issue can also be voted on.

With regard to questions, that's a tough one. We mainly set the guidelines with respect to people knowing in advance what they had and what they wanted for what they had, and not so much this scenario. If you have any suggestions, we'd love that hear them.

@Mattlov:
I'll have to apologize for some of those titles - in chaning around thread titles we just used whatever info we could quickly glean to make the titles conform to the guidelines. Sometimes the information within threads was limited.

Jin




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@Rogue - please let's not start this argument here as well.


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One last thing:

With regard to the posts informing of title changes, we apologize if they came off as curt and unfriendly. It was merely copy-pasted text meant to inform of the new rules. They were not intended to be taken personally.

On a side-note, sort of...

DakkaDakka is not THE place to trade, if you really want to do that you should be looking into sites dedicated to such a practice. Expecting change that will accommodate everyone is simply madness, so in a nutshell deal with it or go elsewhere.

@Swapshop MODS

Keep your goals moderate and you will do quite well.

modquisition on:
This thread was reported as duplicate.
Although this is duplicate I'm for leaving open to garner additional input unless the Swapshop Mods have a preference to close (please pm if so as I don't scan this area often).

EDIT Jin has requested this be closed and Jin is copying pertinent parts into the discussion already held in the swap shop segment.