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Hello,

I've never played Warmachine but I've been reading up on it recently and it seems really interesting, not to mention that I'd really like to support a minis company that isn't GW for a little while.

How common are plastic models from Privateer Press? Is there a way to make a fully (or almost fully) plastic force? While lots of metals isn't a dealbreaker for me, I'm new to modeling, so I've kinda been spoiled by GW's plastic kits.

Thanks

About 98% of the range is currently metal.

Its ok that most of WM is metal though. The Metal kits are by far higher quality than the GW ones. They require far less cleaning and go together much better the metal GW kits. Of course, I've only put together a few GW metals, I suppose -- pathfinders, Hellcannon, Broadsides, Battlefleet Gothic, and some one offs.

Endgame wrote:Its ok that most of WM is metal though. The Metal kits are by far higher quality than the GW ones. They require far less cleaning and go together much better the metal GW kits. Of course, I've only put together a few GW metals, I suppose -- pathfinders, Hellcannon, Broadsides, Battlefleet Gothic, and some one offs.

That feels like a prejudicial blanket statement to me.
The large WM kits, and Hordes have just as many issues and gaps as the worst GW kit. I am building a Dire Troll Mauler, and that sucker has some gaps.
GW has a much larger line, but I feel that the overall quality is about equal.
I have more than my share of nearly all of GW's armies and have seen many that go together flawlessly as well as the horrid ones that tend to stand out in your mind (Steamtank).

The WM/H plastics from what I have read, are more of a resin, that needs to use superglue.
They probably use the same mold process as the metals. Not the steel molds of GW's stuff.

The best thing with WM/H models, for me, is that the infantry is in way fewer pieces.
They are built and ready for paint much faster than the GW plastics.
The only tools I use for metals that I don't for plastics is a pinvise for pinning and a file.

skrulnik wrote:

Endgame wrote:Its ok that most of WM is metal though. The Metal kits are by far higher quality than the GW ones. They require far less cleaning and go together much better the metal GW kits. Of course, I've only put together a few GW metals, I suppose -- pathfinders, Hellcannon, Broadsides, Battlefleet Gothic, and some one offs.

That feels like a prejudicial blanket statement to me.
The large WM kits, and Hordes have just as many issues and gaps as the worst GW kit. I am building a Dire Troll Mauler, and that sucker has some gaps.
GW has a much larger line, but I feel that the overall quality is about equal.
I have more than my share of nearly all of GW's armies and have seen many that go together flawlessly as well as the horrid ones that tend to stand out in your mind (Steamtank).

The WM/H plastics from what I have read, are more of a resin, that needs to use superglue.
They probably use the same mold process as the metals. Not the steel molds of GW's stuff.

The best thing with WM/H models, for me, is that the infantry is in way fewer pieces.
They are built and ready for paint much faster than the GW plastics.
The only tools I use for metals that I don't for plastics is a pinvise for pinning and a file.

Oh please like you know anything.

Guessing you're in the same gaming group

Crap, they found me.

Yeah, we know each other.

Whitekong taught me to play Warmachine.

skrulnik wrote:
That feels like a prejudicial blanket statement to me.
The large WM kits, and Hordes have just as many issues and gaps as the worst GW kit. I am building a Dire Troll Mauler, and that sucker has some gaps.
GW has a much larger line, but I feel that the overall quality is about equal.

I don't think I intended it to be a blanket statement as I listed some of the stuff I'd worked on. Overall, I've hated probably 60% of every metal GW product I've put together. I didn't even finish my steam tank -- just sold it partially assembled. As for Warmachine, I've assembled just about everything Protectorate, Cygnar, Mercs, and a good deal of Circle. The Wolves Orboros and the Steelhead Halberdiers probably annoyed me the most with their bendy little spears, and the Character Jacks have been a bit fiddly (especially the banners on the Avatar) but I'd say I was please with about 75% of the PP metal kits.

Anyway, here is a list of pretty much everything metal from GW that I've assembled and my thoughts.

Tau Pathfinders. Covered in flash -- what should have taken 5 minutes for eight 2 piece models took about an hour.

Tau Broadsides. Almost like the mold didn't line up quite right on the rail guns -- half the gun was about 1/16" higher than the other. No real way to fix it except lots of filing. Also a hybrid kit which I'm not a fan off because of durability issues.

Grey Knight Terminators. Less flash than the Pathfinders, but thats not saying much. Some bits came on metal Sprue which was annoying to cut off, but overall, an OK Kit.

Old Metal Terminators: No serious complaints, body and 3 pieces. I don't remember there being too much flash either.

Old Crusader Kit: Hybrid kit with metal hurricane sponsors. Terribly annoying to put together, IMO. Also fairly heavy with a slight tendency to break off.

Chaos Hell Cannon: 20 or 30 piece kit, IIRC, with no directions on assembly. Lots of flash. Once the flash was cleaned off though, and you had an idea how to put it together, it went together fairly smoothly.

Steam Tank: Terrible fit of pieces. Didn't even finish it, sold it to someone who cared enough to finish it.

Great Swords: Simple, single piece models with little flash. No complaints except for the standard bearer, who isn't very well balanced..

Battle fleet Gothic imperial frigates: Lots of flash on these one piece models. Feels like it should have been "pop out of blister and stick on base", but instead spent 10+ minutes cleaning flash and mold lines.

Space Marine Battle Barge: Awkward split point in the center of the ship. Eventually required pinning after breaking several times with mild transport.

I find GW metals to be much worse than PP metals most of the time. But when you get flash on PP metals it tends to be in MASSIVE chunks.

It seems most gaming companys have these issues. Where you find the most problems is at the end of the molds life, buying the models when they are first avalable seems to help with the flash and mold lines. I can't stand the small pieces that need to be pinned to be secure, like arms and hands. That is one of the reasons I really liked GW plastics, however I prefer to play warmachine so I deal with it.

I recently purchased 3 Retribution Heavy Warjacks, that are plastic and all of them went together reasonably well. No gaps the only problem I have with them currently is that the hips were kind of irritating.

On the resin like plastic, it seems that plastic glue does work on it, but the joint is weaker than that created by super glue, although the Super Glue does seem to frost more than normal or it could just be the grey plastic making the frost easier to see.

I will also say that Privateer Press has a fantastic return policy, and frankly their model quality is about 10 x better, my only complaint has been the stupid pokey bits that break off on some models. (I am looking at you, bane thralls.)

In the next 2 months the following models should be plastic. . .
3 or 4 basic heavy jacks for all factions, all retribution infantry units. (not the solo's.)

citadel97501 wrote:I will also say that Privateer Press has a fantastic return policy, and frankly their model quality is about 10 x better, my only complaint has been the stupid pokey bits that break off on some models. (I am looking at you, bane thralls.)

You should assemble some Skorne Cataphracts. Good times, there.

malfred wrote:

citadel97501 wrote:I will also say that Privateer Press has a fantastic return policy, and frankly their model quality is about 10 x better, my only complaint has been the stupid pokey bits that break off on some models. (I am looking at you, bane thralls.)

You should assemble some Skorne Cataphracts. Good times, there.

Yeah, those small flags on the shoulder pads are full of win