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now Ive done a search on dakka trying to see if this topic has been posted yet

but is there any records of primachs being parents at all, I know the Big E has some natural off spring running around but I want to know if his super babies had any

I wouldn't be suprised with Angron maybe having one or two being a Gladiator and all, sort of like how conan was basicly chucked partner's to breed more big strong fighters for the arena

or sanginuis to the populus of his world he was a angel

Gulliman was the lord of the planet after his adoptive fathers death

Girls would have been all over horus

The Lion was too secluded but they may have just seen him as totally deep or something (and once again pretty much the big man in charge on his planet and saved it from all the monsters inhabiting it )

Cruze could have used rape as a weapon of terror (suprise sex)

Russ well that goes without saying he was a space viking raping and pillaging comes with the title

so any thoughts on this subject, or is it just the case of there is no way this would ever happen cuz they were all test tube babies and the Emperor specifically made them with no Junk to go running around making little primachs (or the E didn'y want to be no ones grandpa)

Space Marines can have baby?
I think they cant.

If they can,there is more and more space marines.
No need imperial guard.
And EVERYONE on planet can be space marine.

So Human WIN!
But they cant. So there is imperial guard and sister of battle.

i dont mean the marines I mean the Primachs who are not essentially marines but something more close to the emperor

He may have a point. Space marines can't breed, they tend to start the process pretty much around or just before the onset of puberty and becoming a space marine sterilises them. But the primachs were completely different. They did grow from infancy to adulthood in only a few years. Several of them were in cultures that their natural prowess would certainly make them desirable partners.

The main problems is I don't think any source has a primach actually showing the slightest bit of romantic or sexual interest in anyone. Maybe the Emperor made them without a libido so it wouldn't take away from their combat skills, they were made purely as weapons. Quite likely infertile to boot to remove any pesky paternal influences to offspring and make their only 'family' be their fellow primachs and Emperor, so he'd have their undivided devotion.

No idea what the situation with the Emperor is, I know that the Sensai suggest he has had them (although I once wondered if they were the first experiments leading to the primachs), but if it'd been during the Unification Wars or the lead up to the HH then said descendants would be lionised, treated as offspring of saints, etc. No way would they have been forgotten. So that would have to be going back a lot.

I just kind of makes you feel dirty, doesnt it? Like thinking about your dad having sex...

I tend to the the problem for the primarchs isn't so much ability as desire. They are effectively surrounded by children.

A space marine is, what, 7-8ft? And we know the primarchs towered over them.

They were stronger, faster, and more intelligent than any human by a sizable margin. They are basically a different species than humanity. I imagine it would be hard to develop a romantic interest in creatures so different than you, not to mention so fragile and stupid.

Morgrim wrote:He may have a point. Space marines can't breed, they tend to start the process pretty much around or just before the onset of puberty and becoming a space marine sterilises them. But the primachs were completely different. They did grow from infancy to adulthood in only a few years. Several of them were in cultures that their natural prowess would certainly make them desirable partners.

The main problems is I don't think any source has a primach actually showing the slightest bit of romantic or sexual interest in anyone. Maybe the Emperor made them without a libido so it wouldn't take away from their combat skills, they were made purely as weapons. Quite likely infertile to boot to remove any pesky paternal influences to offspring and make their only 'family' be their fellow primachs and Emperor, so he'd have their undivided devotion.

No idea what the situation with the Emperor is, I know that the Sensai suggest he has had them (although I once wondered if they were the first experiments leading to the primachs), but if it'd been during the Unification Wars or the lead up to the HH then said descendants would be lionised, treated as offspring of saints, etc. No way would they have been forgotten. So that would have to be going back a lot.

Primarchs weren't intended to reproduce.
Why should any SM see a problem if he loses his primarch when an offspring is available to take over?

MOD EDIT wrote:Removed reference to a post that was deleted due to its off topic nature. Not to mention sheer stupidity.

Morgrim wrote:He may have a point. Space marines can't breed, they tend to start the process pretty much around or just before the onset of puberty and becoming a space marine sterilises them.

Source? AFAIK, there's no technical reason marines can't breed - they just don't, being (for the most part) celibate warrior-monks, who have about 15 mintues per day to themeselves when not engaged in some conflict or other.

Bran Dawri wrote:

Morgrim wrote:He may have a point. Space marines can't breed, they tend to start the process pretty much around or just before the onset of puberty and becoming a space marine sterilises them.

Source? AFAIK, there's no technical reason marines can't breed - they just don't, being (for the most part) celibate warrior-monks, who have about 15 mintues per day to themeselves when not engaged in some conflict or other.

Would 15 minutes per day be enough to find a willing imperial citizen ( pure enough to not taint the geneseed ) ?

Plus IMO the altered body of a Space marine may not allow for a common way to reproduce.

Primarchs, which are our subject here, seem to never show any interest in the other sex.

just because they didn't feel the attraction didn't mean they might not have done it seeing as they would have seen themselves as just extra ordinary humans before the Emperor showed up even though they may not have felt the need to do it, it might have been expected of them by the people of the world they where raised on

easy way of looking at biggest strongest guy on the planet in a warrior society = guy with first pick etc
lord of a planet wanting to keep the peace only way to do it keep marry a rivals daughter? = peace issue resolved

but since there's no word on any it could be seen as grey fluff

I think I remember reading somewhere that Primarchs and Marines are genetically engineered to be sterile.

My thoughts:

All of the Emperors "children" are cloned form replica DNA by various strands of scientists before it became the "Mechanicus" (and in some "Radical" cases)

Primarchs never pro-created (in any of the fluff) and Space Marines are pyscho conditioned not to require love of a female,
only unswervering loyalty to the God of Mankind and devotion to the elimination of His enemies...

It would be cool if Dorn went to a couple of worlds and said to himslef, I'm not building a fortification today, I'm gonna get laid..

The primarchs of the legions began to think of it's warriors as his sons once his own genes where used in the construction,
so technically they had and continue to have many thousands of children (SM aspirants normally being inducted at the age of 12/13)

I've never heard of /read an official piece of fluff which states that either of them are sterilised. Anywho, I doubt the primarchs would really want to reproduce. They're too awesome
You'd need some massive amazonian women (you know, the kind which eat men? I forget where I heard that tale) to be able to do it. In all seriousness, I doubt a natural women could support a primarch. + Why would the emperor bother with mantaining the hormones?

Sorry if that sounded pretty critical :s

Solly wrote:
It would be cool if Dorn went to a couple of worlds and said to himslef, I'm not building a fortification today, I'm gonna get laid..

That is so fething sigged.

I'm gonna go start a thread right now.

haha First time posting in here and I'm already sigged (",)

I agree with the "no mention of sterilisation" in any of the fluff.
Even in the Codex Space Marines it isn't directly clear if they are sterilised or just psycho-conditioned to not need that particular constitution..
Considering they live to 500+ years maybe that's what all men should do.. Scrap that..

I had discussion about this before with a couple of lads from the local GW store and the consensus amongst us at the end of the deliberations where many a cup of tea was drank
was that the monastic warrior life left no time for pro-creation and that the Marines where not incapable of fornicating only unwilling to do so because it detracted from their duties.

I've yet to hear a more plausible answer and am open to any interpretations...

Unless the marine turned to slaneeshi

I can't remember where I read it. Something about the creation of a space marine. I vaguely recall it was the same source that talked about some of the processes in the later stages to make an intitate being performed on a slab with manacles since anethsetic interfered.

I read the process in a WD mag a long long long time ago.
It runs through the basic steps required to build a superhuman warrior, noting the extra organs and known deviations from founding chapters.

I do remember the mannacles though, there to restrain a marine aspirant because anaesthesia wont work? Definitley possible..
Sure, according to the fluff there are only two ways to intoxicate or over load a SM senses by a "natural" means which are the fenrisian Wolfsmeade
and a venom taken from a very rare plant (one of the Ragnar Blackmane Space Wolf books)..

Because the marine cannot be knocked out and has superhuman strenght the adepts would need some means of controlling the beast they are about to unleash.
Sounds plausible they'd have heavy manacles ready to shackle the aspirant/marine to a surface..

Even a seasoned space marine could have trouble not struggling during some of those surgeries, and a raw recruit still in training would have even more difficulty. So I agree, chaining them down seems the only reasonable solution.

I don't think the marines can do the deed but what I posted was the Primach's themselves seeing as they weren't once human and then modified

seeing as the Emperor made them in his own image and from his flesh and he was able to have biological children through the natural process his test tube super babies may have been able to do the deed before meeting up with there father or if your russ on your nightly pillage of a city

crazykiwi wrote:I don't think the marines can do the deed but what I posted was the Primach's themselves seeing as they weren't once human and then modified

seeing as the Emperor made them in his own image and from his flesh and he was able to have biological children through the natural process his test tube super babies may have been able to do the deed before meeting up with there father or if your russ on your nightly pillage of a city

No.

The emperor had no biological children ever.
His "sons" were creations of gene-tech. So why do you assume there was no template to crate them?
Primarchs may be superior in a lot of abilitys to humans, but they're still not free of all to humans issues.

On the contrary, the Sensei are the biological descendants of the Emperor.

and I don't think the sensei have been retconned yet

1hadhq wrote:
The emperor had no biological children ever.

Wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperium_%28Warhammer_40,000%29#Sensei

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Emperor_of_Mankind



As for the original question, remember the Primarchs were described as superhumans.

Anyone here read Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex?
http://www.rawbw.com/~svw/superman.html

The short answer is they may have had sex, but never with the same woman twice.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

1hadhq wrote:
The emperor had no biological children ever.

Wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperium_%28Warhammer_40,000%29#Sensei

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Emperor_of_Mankind

So a wiki shall prove it?
Wonders why he doesn't quote a GW publication from the last 10 years....
Maybe because GW had the storys youre referring to used in the past but dismissed them in favor of a more mysterious background? Your own link says so.
Seems i was correct for 3rd,4th and 5th ed of 40k.

isn;t it cannon that the inquisition especially the deamon hunters are hunting them to grind into psy cannon bolts?

1hadhq wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

1hadhq wrote:
The emperor had no biological children ever.

Wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperium_%28Warhammer_40,000%29#Sensei

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Emperor_of_Mankind

So a wiki shall prove it?

How bout the realms of Chaos book on my shelf?

And it's canon till Jervis breaks down my door and snatches them from my cold dead hands

Wonders why he doesn't quote a GW publication from the last 10 years....
Maybe because GW had the storys youre referring to used in the past but dismissed them in favor of a more mysterious background? Your own link says so.
Seems i was correct for 3rd,4th and 5th ed of 40k.

And they never said the Sensei don't exist either, they just don't refer to them.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:How bout the realms of Chaos book on my shelf?

And it's canon till Jervis breaks down my door and snatches them from my cold dead hands

Wouldn't feel to safe yet. May I suggest some additional plates of armor for your door?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:And they never said the Sensei don't exist either, they just don't refer to them.

IMO thats a method called "let them die unnoticed"....


Will agree that your reference existed ( back in the days of early 40k ), but lack of usage in the last 10 years could hint on
it no longer beeing seen as part of the 40k universe.

Morgrim wrote:Even a seasoned space marine could have trouble not struggling during some of those surgeries, and a raw recruit still in training would have even more difficulty. So I agree, chaining them down seems the only reasonable solution.

what? Fail!

Solly wrote:I read the process in a WD mag a long long long time ago.

It runs through the basic steps required to build a superhuman warrior, noting the extra organs and known deviations from founding chapters.

I do remember the mannacles though, there to restrain a marine aspirant because anaesthesia wont work? Definitley possible..
Sure, according to the fluff there are only two ways to intoxicate or over load a SM senses by a "natural" means which are the fenrisian Wolfsmeade
and a venom taken from a very rare plant (one of the Ragnar Blackmane Space Wolf books)..

Because the marine cannot be knocked out and has superhuman strenght the adepts would need some means of controlling the beast they are about to unleash.
Sounds plausible they'd have heavy manacles ready to shackle the aspirant/marine to a surface..

Space marines come around the age of 10-15. -.- Damn i passed it.
Check white dwarf 300 that is where it lists it.

1hadhq wrote:


Will agree that your reference existed ( back in the days of early 40k ), but lack of usage in the last 10 years could hint on
it no longer beeing seen as part of the 40k universe.

Ah but to an immortal Star Child a decade is no more than a blink of an eye.

I had a plan for a Squat/Sensei army but never got far with it.

Also, I'm pretty sure the Sensei Starchild stuff was at least referenced by the Inquisitor rulebook, so it's more recent then th old school Realms of Chaos fluff books