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I have wondered,why do the tech priests can't replicate the design of let's say of some Predator with different weapons.Why is so hard to replicate Baal Predator,it's a Predator with assault cannon,heavy flamers,ammunition boxes and fuel tanks,is that hard to replicate.If someone had actually done that I think that he would be hunted by Blood Angles and their successor chapters.

I don;t think it's beyond the capability of any Techmarine. It's more of a combat doctrine thing. Marneus Calgar, Pedro Kantor or any of the other chapter masters probably just don't think they would be useful when combined with the rest of the way their army fights. It could be argued that Razorbacks with TL Assault Cannons already fill that role.

Could think of these reasons:


1) the Blood Angels are really fast with C&D, so pirating a concept doesn't work and actually ,no one was willing to pay the exorbitant price for a licence....

2) its always hard to produce "vehnicles" ( maybe check your header? ) with different weapons since you can't get a veteran of
hundreds of campaigns to accept the new tank that easy.

3) like most variants were "invented" ( found again? ) from a single chapter and then distributed to others, the process to
change a design from tech-heresy to acceptable new design lies in the hands of the mechanicum and they frown upon "inventions".
Some tanks got fluff that claims the SM did just field the tank without the ad mechs blessing. So IMO its not impossible to find out
what is compatible with the basic chassis and add the weapons, but it is problematic to research and also get your design accepted
afterwards.


Back in the days of the VCR there was some way to construct your own predator.

AdMech is always angry when someone modifies some tank like when Iron Priests created Predator Annihilator and they used Long Fangs lascannons.

Because the admech aren't too practical. Much of the stuff they use they don't actually understand, therefore they are afraid of damaging something by trying to alter it. They think machines are holy and it's blashpemy to create anything which isn't derived from STC. It's more of a "This is the right way to do, because it is" attitude.

I agree on that,pre-heresy Mechanicus were even inventive,they improved power armor,created AI etc....Over 10k years they have became so religious that they are actually losing some parts of technology.If Emperor wanted Mechanicus to rise,he could at least influence them to love innovation and progress.Searching for STC and thinking that all knowledge already exists is completely idiotic.Just my thought,please correct me if I am wrong.

Remember that machinery has a warp-presence and improvising machinery in unapproved ways can expose its user to corruption and moral degeneration. I myself am suspicious of the modern-day trend to black-box computers so that the average user has no more understanding of its mechanisms and theory than low-level Adeptus Mechanicus techno-magi have of Plasma technology. I mean what is the best way to completely piss of tech-support? Unlicensed or unapproved modifications to your machine that may void the warranty, make it unstable, or create security holes.

Besides, the Adepts of Mars are correct in believing in the orthodoxy of a complete STC existing somewhere. The problem unbelievers and heretics face is that they fail to comprehend that to the Adepts of Mars the universe is a machine, an intricate perfect machine, and that is what the myth of the perfect STC refers to, to the struggle of the Martian Priesthood to reach towards perfect understanding, rather than to recover a mere artifact. Its like modern people trying to recover evidence of a historical Jesus or the Ark of Noah, misunderstanding these metaphors as refering to physical objects rather than sets of philosophical principles.

Machines have a warp presence? I've never heard anything about that, where is it from. I know the ad mech belive machines have a spirit but I was under the impession that it was just superstition combined with very basic A.I.

Well, machines can be possessed by Daemons, which would argue that they have something analogous to a soul.

Machines do not have a soul!
(except necrons)
And there is no warp presence, since psykers have a hard time to recognize servitors which are part human.
Pure machines, would never be seen by any psyker with his/her powers.
The possession thing is done by the dark mech and they seem to use a lot of sorcery to combine demons and machines.
Its impossible for a warp creature to take over a machine without help.

In the grim darkness of the future, tampering with technology is heresy. Yes, an IG motorpool make make "Field modifications" to equipment, but no self respecting Enginseer will let that stand for long and will restore the equipment to an "approved" pattern.

Without AdMech approval no technology or weapons refit will be spread to other factions. It and the knowledge behind it will stay with the people who built it, and when they die it will be lost.

So yes, groups refit weapons frequently according to the fluff, but it won't be approved for thousands of years while the AdMech ponder its qualifications, so most designs are one offs that never get widespread adoption.

I think daemons are bound into machines by summoning them and binding them into machines similar to possesion. Daemons don't require a soul to posses something, they only uses a soul as a doorway into reality, meaning its easier to summon a daemon into a living thing as the soul acts as a bridge but once the daemon has left the warp they can possess many different materials. I would guess that possesed machines have pskically attuned material in them ( the kind of stuff in psyker's weapons).

Back on topic, many techmarines make new stuff and even some techmarines develop new vehicles, but they are the only ones who use them until the ad mech say so. Before they get accepted the ad mech studies and tests them. i don't think it's ever been explained what they actually test them for, but it's probbably them just arguing whether it's holy or blasphemy.

I hate the Emperor's plan for Adeptus Mechanicus which he devised when he defeated Void Dragon(he could devise a society which would innovate).Adeptus Mechanicus could be more practical,have they ever thought that without innovation they wouldn't have all current technologies,however there were some improvements during the Age of Imperium,like when they perfected lances and the other stuff.

IvanTih wrote:I hate the Emperor's plan for Adeptus Mechanicus which he devised when he defeated Void Dragon(he could devise a society which would innovate).

This wasn't the emperors plan but the effect of the mechanicum turning traitor when offered a STC and blowing up a lot of their facilities on Mars.