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My chapter is outlayed differently then the Codex Astartes dictates. the Grey Templars currently have 10 Cohorts each maintaining 500 marines. each is a "line company although some have developed particular affinities with certain warfare tactics. all cohorts except for the 1st are slate grey armor with silver trims. there are also 2 scout companies, but they have little organization as they are nearly permanatly split apart campaining with the line companies, the scout count ranges from 750 to 1000 at any one time.

Grand master: Rocan Selbus, Age: 187 years. has led for 93 years

The 1st Chohort(Silver helmets with black armor)

Marshall: Arthus, Age 298
250 Terminators
100 Vanguard Veterans
150 Sternguard Veterans
10 Landraiders
20 Rhinos
10 Thunderhawks

2nd, 3rd, and the 5th through the 10th Cohorts

50 terminators
250 tactical marines
100 devestators
100 assault marines
5 Landraiders
20 rhinos
10 razorbacks
10 thunderhawks
15 Predators
5 whirlwinds
5 vindicators

4th cohort. This company has developed an affinity for armored assaults and defensive positions and has altered their armory to match. They are in posession of several Titans after discovering the wrecks during campaigns in M36. This is a closly guarded secret and few outside of the chapter are aware of the titans presence.

50 terminators
200 tactical marines
150 devestators
100 assault marines
15 Landraiders
25 rhinos
20 razorbacks
15 thunderhawks
25 predators
10 whirlwinds
10 vindicators
2 Stormlord Super heavy tanks
1 Shadowsword Superheavy tank
the Warhound titan "Merica's Legacy" (this is a reference to a line in "Horus Rising")
the Warhound titan "Founder's Grace"
the Reaver titan "Justice"


what do the good people of dakka think about this? I will add more fluff later

I'm assuming you want fluff recommendations?

I certainly wont say don't do it this way. I think divergent chapters have a lot of fluff possibilities.

In this case you are obviously "breaking" fluff by having 5x the prescribed number of marines. This is (as far as the Imperium is concerned) a big power problem. Your faction would be far too powerful in the eyes of many officials. Powerful space marine organizations were one of the root causes of the Horus Heresy, the Imperium is VERY sensitive about it, and likely would want to declare excommunicatus on any chapter this powerful. That is likely one of the main reasons that Guillimen broke the legions into chapters, to allay the fears of the rest of the imperium, otherwise another war could have broken out. Don't underestimate what a serious threat many in the imperium would see it were a chapter to gain this much power.

Now there are other chapters that have too many marines. The Black Templars and the Space Wolves to name two. The Space Wolves are so ancient and powerful, and have so many allies that they cannot be excommunicated. It would rip the imperium apart, and too many in the iquisition would support the SWs. Likely your chapter is not in this position.

The Black Templars go to great lengths to HIDE their numbers, because even as ancient and respected as they are they likely couldn't get away with it were the truth widely known. They spread themselves out and avoid contact.

I would recommend that if you want a chapter this big you incorporate these political issues into your fluff. How do you keep other factions from declaring war on you? How did you grow this powerful without anyone stepping in? Do you hide your numbers? Are you too far out on the edges of the imperium for any inquisitors to notice? Or HAVE you had conflicts with the inquisition, and if so, how did your chapter handle it?

Just try and avoid mary sue syndrom. Special ties with the inquisition or the high lords of terra are iffy (though possible with good enough fluff). Better to have you chapter deal with the consequences of their decisions than to use dues ex machina.

riplikash wrote:Now there are other chapters that have too many marines. The Black Templars and the Space Wolves to name two. The Space Wolves are so ancient and powerful, and have so many allies that they cannot be excommunicated. It would rip the imperium apart, and too many in the iquisition would support the SWs. Likely your chapter is not in this position.

I have no clue where you got that bit of information but it's incredibly incorrect. The Space Wolves are a feared legion by everyone short of their Navigator House dedicated to them and a few Guard companies and such.

The Inquisition especailly hates them and are trying to look into their gene-seed for fear of mutation. If they ever found out about the Wulfen, Space Wolves would be dead. In fact, the only reason the Space Wolves AREN'T gone is because of where they are situated. Fenris itself would be impossible for any guard units to attack aside from the Valhallans. The inquisition BARELY has the power to even attack them properly. It would probably take 5 full chapters, if not more, to take out Fenris. An orbital bombardment to the Fang wouldn't even work because of all the bunkers situated under the Fang. This plus the untold numbers of beasts, armor, and dreadnoughts puts their numbers around 4,000 is, 3,000 of them being Marines. The Fang is pretty much impenetrable and it would take an incredible dedication of force to destroy it.

Plus, why on Earth would the High Lords of Terra allow it? They see the Space Wolves as a founding legion who deserves its secrecy to keep them in the fight for humanity.

My chapter is located in the galactic core ruling a empire(similer to Ultramar) called Centromar so called after the capital planet of Centros. it is located very close to the exact center of the galaxy(hence the name) near several black holes. the average distance between stars is 8 light years so we are pretty well hidden from prying eyes.

I have had conflicts with the inquisition, but they have not beenn deadly as yet. also each Cohort remains seperate from the chapter at large for the greates sum of the time. each has a seperate world or fleet as a base so to outsiders it would seem like 10 different chapters.

The fact the core is a very dangerous, 3 ork empires, 2 eldar craft worlds, and several Chaos strongholds generally makes the inquisition see the need for a large chapter there. We have been sanctioned, but are monitered closely by the Order of the Galactic chalice(my "friends" SOBs) and a good relationship has developed with the sisters(the only "good" relationship we have with any branch of the inquisition)

Why do people always create super chapters when it's against fluff,a thousand marines can easily attack those opponents you've wroted about?
Look at the another OP chapter made by the Asherian Command it's got 5,000 marines and what even worse it's got some superduper chapter master.

IvanTih wrote:Why do people always create super chapters when it's against fluff,a thousand marines can easily attack those opponents you've wroted about?
Look at the another OP chapter made by the Asherian Command it's got 5,000 marines and what even worse it's got some superduper chapter master.

I don't think GW's fluff department would mind. Since GW is all about selling product creating chapters with 1000+ marines would be no problem. Look at the grey knights deploying whole armies. Fluff for those guys is that single squads usually teleport in to battle ONLY where daemons are then either teleport out when done or die in the attempt. Now even Imperial armies are graced with a master and some GK termies to wipe out greenskins or tau rabble rousers. Grey Knights = ££££

Anyway back OT.

I even accept the idea of having super heavies and titans in this chapter, maybe make it so an imperial army has been fighting alongside The Grey Templars for years do something similar for the titans being a legio that is depleted or has their home world destroyed therefore the Templars and Legio/ad mech come to an agreement to make sure the Legio does not die out and is now based on the Grey Templars Home world? All in secret and such like?

Fluff be damned!

Mr. Burning wrote:

IvanTih wrote:Why do people always create super chapters when it's against fluff,a thousand marines can easily attack those opponents you've wroted about?
Look at the another OP chapter made by the Asherian Command it's got 5,000 marines and what even worse it's got some superduper chapter master.

I don't think GW's fluff department would mind. Since GW is all about selling product creating chapters with 1000+ marines would be no problem. Look at the grey knights deploying whole armies. Fluff for those guys is that single squads usually teleport in to battle ONLY where daemons are then either teleport out when done or die in the attempt. Now even Imperial armies are graced with a master and some GK termies to wipe out greenskins or tau rabble rousers. Grey Knights = ££££

Anyway back OT.

I even accept the idea of having super heavies and titans in this chapter, maybe make it so an imperial army has been fighting alongside The Grey Templars for years do something similar for the titans being a legio that is depleted or has their home world destroyed therefore the Templars and Legio/ad mech come to an agreement to make sure the Legio does not die out and is now based on the Grey Templars Home world? All in secret and such like?

Fluff be damned!

I'm the fluff nazi and you will burn because of this heresy.
My chapter is standard Codex chapter you'll usually see in the Imperium.Imperium is afraid of the big chapters so that's why all have 1000 marines.Black Templars have 6000 because they are spread all over the Imperium and the Grey Knights have 3000 because of their role and position in the Imperium.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own" - Savage


In my fluff my chapter is not a codex chapter. and since we have practically the same number of stars the Black Templars have to patrol i see no problem with 5,000 marines.

My chapters Gene flaw is that on the battle field a Templar may have visions of his demise and so will try to gain a heroic death, potentially putting his squad mates in danger. Silver Helms(1st company) have had these visions and lived to tell the tale, less then 1 in 50 do. This is to explain the terrible casualities i always sustain while playing them

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:

riplikash wrote:Now there are other chapters that have too many marines. The Black Templars and the Space Wolves to name two. The Space Wolves are so ancient and powerful, and have so many allies that they cannot be excommunicated. It would rip the imperium apart, and too many in the iquisition would support the SWs. Likely your chapter is not in this position.

I have no clue where you got that bit of information but it's incredibly incorrect. The Space Wolves are a feared legion by everyone short of their Navigator House dedicated to them and a few Guard companies and such.

The Inquisition especailly hates them and are trying to look into their gene-seed for fear of mutation. If they ever found out about the Wulfen, Space Wolves would be dead. In fact, the only reason the Space Wolves AREN'T gone is because of where they are situated. Fenris itself would be impossible for any guard units to attack aside from the Valhallans. The inquisition BARELY has the power to even attack them properly. It would probably take 5 full chapters, if not more, to take out Fenris. An orbital bombardment to the Fang wouldn't even work because of all the bunkers situated under the Fang. This plus the untold numbers of beasts, armor, and dreadnoughts puts their numbers around 4,000 is, 3,000 of them being Marines. The Fang is pretty much impenetrable and it would take an incredible dedication of force to destroy it.

Plus, why on Earth would the High Lords of Terra allow it? They see the Space Wolves as a founding legion who deserves its secrecy to keep them in the fight for humanity.

What are you disagreeing with exactly? Your echoing my sentiment. I said they were too ancient and powerful with too may allies.

How was I increadibly incorrect when we basically said the same thing?


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Grey Templar wrote: "I reject your reality and substitute my own" - Savage


In my fluff my chapter is not a codex chapter. and since we have practically the same number of stars the Black Templars have to patrol i see no problem with 5,000 marines.

My chapters Gene flaw is that on the battle field a Templar may have visions of his demise and so will try to gain a heroic death, potentially putting his squad mates in danger. Silver Helms(1st company) have had these visions and lived to tell the tale, less then 1 in 50 do. This is to explain the terrible causalities i always sustain while playing them

Like I said, I'm not going to say NOT to do any of this, just know you are treading on some very "Mary Sue" ground. Your probably not going to get a lot of love from most people who are into the fluff. But it's your chapter and should be fun for you.

As for the Black Templars, as I mentioned they are ancient and powerful and STILL have to work hard to hide your numbers. Fluff-wise most of the imperium would prefer to have five regular chapters than one big one.

Don't take this as an attack, but I'm not exactly sure what your objective is in posting here. Is it for fluff suggestions? Thats what I'm assuming, since it seems like the only useful feedback you're likely to get.

Like I said, your going to have fluff people not liking your chapter, and other just saying "its your chapter, do whatever your want!"

i was mearly explaining how we can hide. the core if you look at it has a star density of massive proportions.

People have said to me a chapter of that size would create problems, but i don't get how it would be all that difficult to hide. 5,000 marines is not a huge number when the size of the galaxy is taken into consideration.

That plue the all too frequent data losses and clerical errors make the Inquisition's going after Space Marines seem very difficult when they really should be going after heritics.


My chapter also has a very large fleet making any attempts to destroy us more trouble then its worth. I have come up with the idea for a massive space hulk sized "forge ship" that draws plasma from a stars surface to power its foundries and this plasma can be fired at space targets if desired.

Centromar is also located in a gavity well between several black holes making it difficult to enter.

riplikash wrote:

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:

riplikash wrote:Now there are other chapters that have too many marines. The Black Templars and the Space Wolves to name two. The Space Wolves are so ancient and powerful, and have so many allies that they cannot be excommunicated. It would rip the imperium apart, and too many in the iquisition would support the SWs. Likely your chapter is not in this position.

I have no clue where you got that bit of information but it's incredibly incorrect. The Space Wolves are a feared legion by everyone short of their Navigator House dedicated to them and a few Guard companies and such.

The Inquisition especailly hates them and are trying to look into their gene-seed for fear of mutation. If they ever found out about the Wulfen, Space Wolves would be dead. In fact, the only reason the Space Wolves AREN'T gone is because of where they are situated. Fenris itself would be impossible for any guard units to attack aside from the Valhallans. The inquisition BARELY has the power to even attack them properly. It would probably take 5 full chapters, if not more, to take out Fenris. An orbital bombardment to the Fang wouldn't even work because of all the bunkers situated under the Fang. This plus the untold numbers of beasts, armor, and dreadnoughts puts their numbers around 4,000 is, 3,000 of them being Marines. The Fang is pretty much impenetrable and it would take an incredible dedication of force to destroy it.

Plus, why on Earth would the High Lords of Terra allow it? They see the Space Wolves as a founding legion who deserves its secrecy to keep them in the fight for humanity.

What are you disagreeing with exactly? Your echoing my sentiment. I said they were too ancient and powerful with too may allies.

How was I increadibly incorrect when we basically said the same thing?

The part about the Inquisition. Inquisition halfway runs the Imperium. To say they'd be backed up is to say they aren't looked on as possibly being traitors. They WISH they could be rid of the Space Wolves, not keep them around.


OT:

I do agree this idea is ridiculous. For one, NO CHAPTER would be founded to be like this. The only three chapters are either from the second founding (BT and GK) or a Legion itself. Both of these chapters were founded to continue work beyond a normal chapter. BT were the rage of Dorn embodied and sent out to continue the Great Crusade. GK are Ordo Malleus and thus need numbers to spread themselves out properly.

When they found a new chapter, it is made as a piece to reinforce the Imperium. They wouldn't take up a mantle of betraying the Codex Astartes when tradition is FOUNDED on the principals of it. So while it's possible, it is neither probable or logical.

But hell, do what ya want. Prepare the harpoons and fluff nazis, but it's your choice. We're merely here to critique, which is why you posted this. Don't like what we say? Tune it out.