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Just finished reading this....

I enjoyed it, but at times it felt a little TOO complicated, as if there were strands of complexity inserted for the sheer hell of it.

Unless I misunderstood it (quite possible)



As I said, I enjoyed it, it just demanded a heck of a lot more attention than other HH books i've read so far. Battle for the Abyss next!

liam0404 wrote: Battle for the Abyss next!

My condolences.

Awesome book, one of my favourite, althuogh First Heretic (whcih answers some of the "why did Horus go bad?" questions) is fast approaching it.

BftA is terrible. FIrst DA book terrible, if not *worse*.

First Heretic is up to 2nd. depending on how istvaan 5 goes it could be first.

I couldnt even read the first DA book. waiting till i run out of other ones to read before i read those 2.

If you like your stories all action, with very little story and Scooby Doo villains then you will love Battle for the Abyss ...

If not, well

Even then the action is terrible.

The ONLY good thing about that book is you can ignore it and not miss anything. Not a single acutally important event took place in that book. All you need to know is Abyss == hugest ship ever, built by dark mechanicum. Thats it.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Even then the action is terrible.

The ONLY good thing about that book is you can ignore it and not miss anything. Not a single acutally important event took place in that book. All you need to know is Abyss == hugest ship ever, built by dark mechanicum. Thats it.

I dunno, it's a bit err ... mindless compared to the other books I admit. But the battles in space seemed to be relatively ok.



Compared to the others so far though, it is on a different scale and lacks the amount of depth that the rest have captured.

ChaosGalvatron wrote: I couldnt even read the first DA book. waiting till i run out of other ones to read before i read those 2.

I think the DA books would have worked better had they been brought out back-to-back. The first in isolation seems just too detached from the rest of the HH story.

Did there really need to be 2 dark angels books? the HH series seems pretty good at compressing important events down to one book. just finished first heretic, and ive now seen drop site massacre in 3 different books, and i think these books have done a great job of it, showing slices in each book that add up to a spectacular event.

Agree with ChaosGalvatron it is good seeing an event from different perspectives. Just started First Heretic and enjoyed it the only HH book I haven't read is mechanicum because I wasn't interested. Legion seemed a bit um...pointless.

Yes, of course they added random complexity for no other reason than to make it more complex. Why would you even ask that question?!?!?!?!?!?!? (JK)

Yes it is complex but it just shows how complex the Alphas are. If you didnt understand it, good that means I wont have to kill you.

Oh I sort of understood it I just got bored after about page 5 and that feeling never went away but I was lying by a pool in Cancun so I didn't care that much

Legion took me two tries before i got into it.
The book seemed about as complex as inception.
Some of the HH book choices are a bit random. Legion could have been a story in the Tales of Heresy anthology. A 300 or whatever page novel with about 10 pages of payoff.
Having said that i would have liked to have seen 18 HH novels before the Heresy starts, one for each Astartes legion, setting things up.

Do you not think that would perhaps have been overkill as I imagine pre heresy there was not a huge amount of difference between the Legions obviously they each had their own flavour but this could be summed up in say 50 pages rather than a whole novel. I like the way that there will be a novel for each legion but at a different stage in the heresy.

Yeah it would have been overkill.
Is that true that each legion will get a book over time?
The Raven Guard one is going to be tough to read. Poor buggers.

I believe so but this is only an educated guess and based on rumours but they have done or are in the process of doing most of the legions already so I don't see why it won't happen.

The First DA Book took to long but they did explain the traditions of caliban and they introduced some main characters that are not the lion or luther

The Will only be 1 more DA book to explain how the fallen have come about.

legion was great it explained there nature so well and thats why i fell in love with the Alpha Legion

With the events of Legion happening before First Heretic I am not so convinced that they are now loyal to the Emperor like they say they are.



I'm not sure if I am going to like the way that the Alphas join Horus. I really did just like the way that it was due to Alpharius really not liking being treated as the new boy, being Horus buddy and sticking 2 fingers up to Guilliman.

My question is how come Alpharius was so aware of chaos, down to making a speech about it been the Emperor's worst enemy and how the Emperor is dedicated to destroying it, but none of the other Primarchs seem aware of chaos? Even Magnus doesnt really get that there are really bad things in the warp, he thinks hes the baddest thing in there.

Apparently the Emperor did talk to each of his sons about the Warp and it's contents. Alpharius was the last discovered so maybe the Emperor realised the faults with some of his sons knowledge of it and went in depth, hoping that unlike Magnus, Alpharius would actually listen to him.

I really liked Legion, one of the best yet, but I wasn't so fond of all this Cabal and Acuity business. As I mentioned, maybe they should have just turned traitor because they had had enough and Horus would be a better leader in their eyes.

But isnt that why the other legions turned? At least the Alpha Legion's reason gives them a bit more flavour.

liam0404 wrote:But isnt that why the other legions turned? At least the Alpha Legion's reason gives them a bit more flavour.

There's lots of different reasons for the why the traitors sided with Horus and with the new books a lot of what was now isn't. There were variations to the falls but now they all seem to be same, if not loosely. Obviously some haven't been written yet so maybe I am being a bit general here. I just hope they don't change everything so much that the old stuff is totally redundant but still holds meaning. The Index Astartes articles were brilliant.

The Index Astartes article said

LEGION is awesome - but then you knew I'd sy that!

It does 'need' a followup though, it explain some of the more tenuous things 'explained' in there...

Sequel, please?

nosferatu1001 wrote:Even then the action is terrible.

The ONLY good thing about that book is you can ignore it and not miss anything. Not a single acutally important event took place in that book. All you need to know is Abyss == hugest ship ever, built by dark mechanicum. Thats it.

That about sums it up. Perfectly!

ChaosGalvatron wrote:Did there really need to be 2 dark angels books?

No.

They are really, really bad books.

But guess what? From the ending of the second one, I think we've got another one waiting in the wings for us!

THREE Dark Angel books?

Ugh.

Alpharius wrote:LEGION is awesome - but then you knew I'd sy that!

It does 'need' a followup though, it explain some of the more tenuous things 'explained' in there...

Sequel, please?

AFAIK, there's no plan for a sequel. And why would there be? It's meant to be a cliffhanger

Alpharius wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Even then the action is terrible.

The ONLY good thing about that book is you can ignore it and not miss anything. Not a single actually important event took place in that book. All you need to know is Abyss == hugest ship ever, built by dark mechanicum. Thats it.

That about sums it up. Perfectly!

Of course no "single important event" took place in 'Legion'. It's about the circumstances that led for the Alpha Legion to declare for Horus. It really shouldn't be a "single event" that does that.

ChaosGalvatron wrote:Did there really need to be 2 dark angels books?

No.

They are really, really bad books.

But guess what? From the ending of the second one, I think we've got another one waiting in the wings for us!

THREE Dark Angel books?

Ugh.

Speak for yourself. I actually liked 'em. I liked hearing more about "The Order" from Caliban, and the way they organized/recruited prior to the Fallen.
I think the problem with the Dark Angels books is they feel "out of continuity", seeing as the first book seems to be set before the Heresy proper and then leaves a 20ish year gap between the two. That and having two different authors can't have helped matters either.

Oh, and it's been pretty much confirmed that if there's going to be anything amounting from "Fallen Angels" is an Iron Warriors book.

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Even then the action is terrible.

The ONLY good thing about that book is you can ignore it and not miss anything. Not a single actually important event took place in that book. All you need to know is Abyss == hugest ship ever, built by dark mechanicum. Thats it.

That about sums it up. Perfectly!

Of course no "single important event" took place in 'Legion'. It's about the circumstances that led for the Alpha Legion to declare for Horus. It really shouldn't be a "single event" that does that.

I havent finished Legion yet but it shapes to be the most interesting of the series so far.

This has nothing to do with the horus heresy series, but GW kings lynn is giving me a signed copy of Firedrake for free, am i a lucky guy?

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Even then the action is terrible.

The ONLY good thing about that book is you can ignore it and not miss anything. Not a single actually important event took place in that book. All you need to know is Abyss == hugest ship ever, built by dark mechanicum. Thats it.

That about sums it up. Perfectly!

Of course no "single important event" took place in 'Legion'. It's about the circumstances that led for the Alpha Legion to declare for Horus. It really shouldn't be a "single event" that does that.

We were talking about BATTLE FOR THE ABYSS there...

The way you phrased it made it seem like you were comparing Battle for the Abyss to Legion.

Fixed it since you broke quotes, Alph!

Firedrake is pretty good, some good DE stuff in there as well. A bit like the first, whcih was clearly "we've got a new marine codex out, add EVERYTHING in that is new!" (thunderfire, etc) this has the "DE are new! talk about their new stuff!" in it - although it does has a ravager sliding out of a webway portal, so its not entirely right

Alpharius - I hated BftA more than either DA book, as at least they had a point. BftA was a waste of paper, although still about 50x better than a Goto novel....

I don't understand why everyone liked legion. In he end it all came down to