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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/17 07:58:00
Subject: Jadpanzer IV
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/17 10:43:13
Subject: Jadpanzer IV
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Long-Range Black Templar Land Speeder Pilot
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Wow thats really cool man well done loving the tracks
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Templars 1800pts Guard 3600 pts Ba 3400. Grey Knights 3600 pts |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/17 14:46:02
Subject: Re:Jadpanzer IV
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Ferocious Blood Claw
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Really cool loving the scheme
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/17 21:15:18
Subject: Jadpanzer IV
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[DCM]
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It looks ok, but first off, get rid of the the figure in the tank, its way out of scale and it looks strange.
Sorry, but I don't like the camoflage, if you paint historic or even present day era models, you have to do the colour schemes right.
What scale is it? And what company is it from?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/27 08:45:18
Subject: Re:Jadpanzer IV
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Flameguard
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The figure is to scale. Both look to be at 15mm. Tanks were not THAT huge, a guys shoulder and head would fit in a hatch like that. But I agree about the scheme. The point of Ambush pattern camo is to blend, and having neon green doesn't work well. I think with historicals the challenge is to match the general look with personal style changes making the quality, not changing that general look.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/27 20:26:47
Subject: Re:Jadpanzer IV
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Bounding Assault Marine
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the figure looks to be almost so scale, here is a period photo:
a bit bright camo wise but a nice idea
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/27 23:50:21
Subject: Jadpanzer IV
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
Arlington TX, but want to be back in Seattle WA
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Definately brighter that a typical camo scheme...but the final result looks fantastic! Really catches the eye.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/28 00:03:14
Subject: Re:Jadpanzer IV
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Oberleutnant
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Doesn't look all that unfeasible as a WW2 German scheme to me. Some of them are frankly quite painful to look at, and act more like dazzle paint than proper camo per se. When you've looked long and hard enough, it seems that the men of the Wermacht wore almost every combination of colours possible in an attempt to dodge bullets. As I recall, Battlefront did a nice page of colour swatches of German camo in their Art of War books. "Glowy" springs to mind.
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"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious—makes you so sick at heart—that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all" Mario Savio |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/28 05:26:19
Subject: Jadpanzer IV
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Long-Range Ultramarine Land Speeder Pilot
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Great job mate!
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Lest disaster swallow us whole."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/28 08:33:02
Subject: Re:Jadpanzer IV
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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spackledgoat wrote:The figure is to scale. Both look to be at 15mm. Tanks were not THAT huge, a guys shoulder and head would fit in a hatch like that.
The man's shoulders look too wide to fit through the hatch, he's grossly disproportionate in scale.
Here's a model made in better proportion.
http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/img/9/3/3/2933/41627/jagdpanzer-iv-l-70-italeri.jpg
But I agree about the scheme. The point of Ambush pattern camo is to blend, and having neon green doesn't work well. I think with historicals the challenge is to match the general look with personal style changes making the quality, not changing that general look.
He uses two shades of brown, green and yellow which doesn't seem right to me, and there's the little spots that are different colours again. I've never seen something use more than three colours for the basic scheme. The little blobs all over don't look right either, they're too bright and there's too many of them. But the ambush scheme is a hard one to pull off even on bigger models, what with different colours and the application of spots, size and frequency, it's very difficult to get it looking attractive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/28 11:25:16
Subject: Re:Jadpanzer IV
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Oberleutnant
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Howard A Treesong wrote:spackledgoat wrote:The figure is to scale. Both look to be at 15mm. Tanks were not THAT huge, a guys shoulder and head would fit in a hatch like that.
The man's shoulders look too wide to fit through the hatch, he's grossly disproportionate in scale.
Here's a model made in better proportion.
http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/img/9/3/3/2933/41627/jagdpanzer-iv-l-70-italeri.jpg
But I agree about the scheme. The point of Ambush pattern camo is to blend, and having neon green doesn't work well. I think with historicals the challenge is to match the general look with personal style changes making the quality, not changing that general look.
He uses two shades of brown, green and yellow which doesn't seem right to me, and there's the little spots that are different colours again. I've never seen something use more than three colours for the basic scheme. The little blobs all over don't look right either, they're too bright and there's too many of them. But the ambush scheme is a hard one to pull off even on bigger models, what with different colours and the application of spots, size and frequency, it's very difficult to get it looking attractive.
IN the first part, the model looks to be a Battlefront one. They have a tendency to make "pumpkinhead" figures, which is probably what is throwing off the look of it.
As far as the second goes: Due to the nature of field applied camo, there is huge variety in the nature of application, or even the mediums used, or the tools used to apply it. If "ambush" is tricky for people who spend every hour of their waking life trying to paint camo on things, imagine how tricky it is to get right for serving soldiers in a warzone using a mop and mucky water. Add in the effects of weathering, fading and general abuse, and its surprising that any two vehicles in any theatre look at all similar.
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"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious—makes you so sick at heart—that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all" Mario Savio |
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