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HQ- "SHRIKE" (take Fleet for army)
Command sqd w/Razor Back
HQ- "KHAN" (take Bikes as troops)
Command sqd w/Bikes,

TROOP- BIKE SQD W/ATK BIKE(5)
TROOP- BIKE SQD W/ATK BIKE(5)
TROOP- BIKE SQD W/ATK BIKE(5)

TROOP- TACTICAL SQD W/RHINO(10)
TROOP- SCOUT SQD(10)
TROOP- SCOUT SQD(10)

FAST- ASSAULT SQD(10)
FAST- ASSAULT SQD(10)
FAST- SKIMMER SQD(3)

ELITE- VANGUARD SQD(5)
ELITE- VEN DREAD W/ DROP-POD
ELITE- ASSAULT TERM SQD W/ 'RAIDER(5)

HEAVY- DEVISTATOR SQD W/ RHINO(10)
HEAVY- DEVISTATOR SQD W/ RHINO(10)
HEAVY- VINDICATOR

Scored a grip of Marines (cheap, $200!!) from buddy who moved away so I actually have all these models(and more!) even though many are in pieces and will take lots of work! Toying with this idea simply because I now have so many jump packs, scouts and devistators and thought this would be a way to blend them with my existing biker/skimmer "Scar-esque" force, and because of fluff in 5ed SM codex about Ravens/Scars working so well together? Plus army of Fleet bikes/jump packs sounds awesome! Don't want to be tied down by background of either army though, so I want to invent my own Chapter with a Green/White color scheme w/red/black/yellow trim... (and with tires to the Inquisition since my Marines started as allied troops for my old DH/WH lists!) Will need to convert models for the two HQs, and am struggling with not being able to work in my Biker Chaplain or my Biker Librarian but... that's 5th ed. for ya! Would plan on always running both leaders taking Shrike as main one and infiltrating him with an Assault Sqd while Khan on Moondraken leads ground attack. Can't find my codex right now (been long time since I played SM!) but maybe I'm wrong and Vanguard are Fast Attack? If so could fatten them to full squad, drop one Assault Squad and add in more Termmies or Sternguard? Also can't remember if 'Raiders are HS choice only? If so, that would suck cause im loving 2devs and a Vindy!

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated... Thnx!

Well...the rules say if you have two people with Chapter Tactics, then you pick which one is actually used and the other HQ uses the Chapter Tactics for the entire army. If you're taking Khan for Bikes as Troops, an ordinary bike-mounted Captain does the exact same thing for 70pts less. You could write it as a Shrike list with a secondary Raven Guard Captain, and declare your Chapter to be Raven Guard successors? Also, the command squads are not necessarily advisable; first, it takes an extremely liberal interpretation of Shrike's rules to allow a command squad in a Razorback to Infiltrate with him or to allow him to be attached to a separate unit and Infiltrate independent of his command squad; and a bike-mounted command squad costs more than a Terminator squad before upgrades and isn't as tough.

Hey, thanks for the input! I find it hard to justify the command sqds as well. I used to run a vetran bike sqd and so I have have the dolled up figures to make one, same for the RzrBk sqd, so its just that it "could be done". Wether or not I'd ever use them is another story... Khans tactics are "outflank" but he gets bike troops for taking his own bike, so I think it still works by taking Shrikes tactics? I was thinking the command sqds were on their own and that the captain wasn't neciessarily part of the squad, but if not then drop Shrikes for sure... he couldnt fit in a RzrBk any way right?(Hes slated for joining an assault sqd) Probably take those models and form a Sternguard sqd? They could be a Raven Guard successor, or maybe an "unkown second founding" sponsored by a rouge Inquisitor? I'll end up with more squads than FO slots so I'll be able to pick and choose between them for different foes our just for "flavor"! Might try to pick up a Predator, but should finish what I have first, eh

Yeah, you can only take one chapter tactics or the other, though I think the bikes counting as troops choice is a separate rule so you can have troop bikes and shrike's fleet.

Ok... upon further review, research and investigation, here is a new list of wysiwyg models arranged in a theme of Raven Guard mixed with White Scars chapter aka: "The Jade Suns"



hah! ooops, not yet! delete? eesh...('');

I have toyed with this idea as well.

Taking Shrike, an assault squad, and khan. Use Shrike's rule for armywide fleet. Infiltrate Shrike, Assault marines, and Khan. Khan's bike has a special rule allowing it to run, thereby making him fleet as well. Khan adds furious charge to any unit he is in. So, you would have a nice, hard hitting assault on turn 1. Granted, its a lot of points, but it would be fun trying out.

Land Raiders are a heavy slot, but you can take one as a dedicated transport for termies and another as a dedicated transport for assault termies. So, you can have your LR with 2 Devs and vindicator.

However, I would caution that static units and fast moving units do not always mix well. Granted, I am sure it can be done, but if your focus is on a hard hitting, mobile army then devastators are not going to be the answer. Personally, I would go for the triple vindi stack. It may cost your wallet, but it will save you some points.