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This is my 1000pts list for a mini tournament I'm having with some friends at the weekend, please give me some tips and ideas because I'm fed up of losing to them!

Overlord with Warscythe on CCB
Harbringer of despair with staff and VoD

5 Immortals with tesla
5 Immortlas with tesla
10 Immortals with tesla

5 Deathmarks (Cryptek here)

3 Canoptek Scarabs
2 Spyders (Fabricator Claw Array)

2 Annhiliation Barges

Total: 1010pts

The plan is to have the overlord and scarabs marching up the middle demolishing his vehicles (hopefully) and the Annhiliation barges to mop up what's left. The deathmarks will deal with that one nasty unit every army has (again hopefully) and then the Immortals bringing up the rear to claim objectives and pick up theses survivors.


I also need to drop 10 pts somewhere, all comments are appreciated.

i would get another overlord and put it in the unit of 10 immortals and switch it to gauss.

dethmasks and cryptecks are always fun

Maybe drop the Deathmarks and add in another Spyder, I doubt that 2 is going to be enough to get that scarab squad to a strength where it would be awesomely useful.

I'd probably try and get a Cryptek with a Pulse in there as well, just to give them some protection whilst spawning scarabs.

Hope this is useful.

Without dropping the deathmarks what else could I drop? Sorry if this is awkward but I love deathmarks and really want to see what they can do

Those Scarabs are going to be offered up as free kill points, man (anything less than 6 is in danger of getting immediately wiped out).
Plus, if you were planning on farming them with only 2 Spyders, after two game turns you would only have... 7 Scarabs.
...
why don't you just drop the Spyders and GET more Scarabs to begin with?
[protip: Scarab Farm is not a very effective tactic in low point games].

I am digging the use of all your Barges, though. Most armies can't handle that degree of armor and damage output at 1000 points.
And I say keep the Death&Despair squad. They've always done well by me (you just have to consider them disposable. They pop in, kill a tough enemy unit, job done. If they can serve some further purpose, props to them. If not, no big deal, they did what they were supposed to do).

I do agree you could do with a solar pulse, though.
hmm...

What would be the best use for the solar pulse? And I've been told that Spyders are extremely durable at 1000pts thanks to high toughness and wound allocation but I can see how the scarabs would be free points here, would it be a good idea to drop some immortals and boost up the scarab squad?

Spyders are good, but you need to have a decent amount of Scarabs already on the board to be able to get Scarab Farm to be of any use.

Alternatively, how about this:

Overlord (scythe, weave, barge) = 195
Harbinger of Despair (veil) = 60
Harbinger of Destruction (pulse) = 55

5 Warriors = 65
10 Immortals (tesla) = 170
[or 2x 5 Immortals]

5 Deathmarks = 95

6 Scarabs = 90
6 Scarabs = 90

Annihilation Barge = 90
Annihilation Barge = 90

Total = 1000

also just relised no heavy anti tank get doomsday arks and probably get rid of your spiders for the points and your anialation barges so you have 3 arks and mabe replace immortals with tesla for warriors in ghost arks

I'm liking the look of that skoffs, how would you recommend using it though? Thanks for the help.

Taau wrote:I'm liking the look of that skoffs, how would you recommend using it though?

lol, like this

{Sca}_________________{OvL}_________________{Sca}
{Imm}____{Ann}____{War+Lance-tek}____{Ann}____{Imm}
_______________________________________________
________________{Dea+Despair-tek}________________



(seriously, though, reserve the D&D squad. If you deploy first, their ability is wasted. Also, try to keep the Scarabs in cover as they move up the flanks toward delicious tanks (remember: they move 6", then run, then assault 12", all ignoring difficult terrain). Flat-out the Command barge so you can get a decent cover save. Pop the pulse in your first turn while you're moving up to get into range. Have all your slow moving stuff try to keep pace with each other as best they can.)

Do you not think there aren't enough troops for an objective game?

Three's normally okay, but I guess you could drop one Scarab unit to get another 5 Immortals?

I'll stick with three but make sure I protect them well, and keep them in cover near objectives.

Another vote for Gauss - seems a bit more flexible given the mech nature of tournaments...

I'ev got the scarabs and annhiliation barges for tanks though?

3 Scarabs are going to get wiped so fast I doubt they will be on the board for more than two turns. Like what everyone else said, you need more of them to be effective. Running 3 annihlation barges and a CCB might be a good idea.

The only good thing about having a low number of scarabs is they make a good screen for your spyders to come up and munch on some tanks/soldiers.

Don't use Annihilation Barges on tanks. It's a waste of a shot (only low armor vehicles like transports).
The COMMAND Barge is for tanks.
If you go for 4 Troop units, make one or two gauss Immortals to make up for the lost Scarabs.

In 1000pts there hopefully won't be many high armour tanks floating around so Annhiliation barges should be able to cope after the scarabs have stripped their armour down. I'm going to go with the 12 scarabs and then hopefully they won't be a problem. Sound good?

The list was a success, first battle I had I'd pretty much won thanks to some good night fighting roles after the first two turns, the overlord played admirably and wrecked three razorbacks. Thanks for all the help!

skoffs wrote:.
why don't you just drop the Spyders and GET more Scarabs to begin with?
[protip: Scarab Farm is not a very effective tactic in low point games].

I don't understand why people say these things, and it makes even less sense that people believe it.

The Spyders are fantastic at all point values thanks to their toughness, multiple wounds and CC punch, though I'd give them a gloom prism instead of the fabricator if I was only picking one upgrade. As to the scarab farm, starting with 3-4 is perfectly acceptable. Put them in cover or screen them with another unit. Generally, opponents are going to have a hard time getting through night fighting and a 3+ cover save in order to wipe out the squad.

Monster Rain wrote:The Spyders are fantastic at all point values thanks to their toughness, multiple wounds and CC punch, though I'd give them a gloom prism instead of the fabricator if I was only picking one upgrade. As to the scarab farm, starting with 3-4 is perfectly acceptable. Put them in cover or screen them with another unit. Generally, opponents are going to have a hard time getting through night fighting and a 3+ cover save in order to wipe out the squad.

Actually, I'll agree with the Spyders being a great punch for low games, but if the idea had been to get a lot of Scarabs on the table after a couple turns of night fight protection, but the person only started with 3-4 Scarabs in an army with only 2-3 Spyders... it's usually more effective to just bring more Scarabs in the first place (as in, 6+ bases, so you actually end up with a substantial amount by turn two, rather than merely 7 total)