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Sup Dakka,

Ok so I have about 800pts of orks and I need some advice as to what to buy next to expand my army up to about 1500pts. I want a good competitive list to give DE and Nids lists a fun for their money. The units I have so far:


1 Big Mek KFF

40 Boys
1 BS
1 RK
2 Nobs with PK

1 Battlewagon

8 Burnas

2 Rockit Buggies

That is my lot. I dont want to run a green tide list as I dont fancy painting any more orks that I have to lol. So either truck list or Kan list suggestions are welcome.

Thanks in advance,


ATO




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This is the list I have in mind, please feel free to shred it apart as I dont wanna waste money on a list that wont be competitive.

HQ
Big Mek, KFF - 85pts
Warboss - PK Combi shoot/rockit, eavy armour, - 95pts

Troops
18 Boys, 1 Nob with PK and BP - 154pts
10 Boys, 1 Nob with PK and BP, Truck with RPJ and Boarding Planks - 151pts
11 Boys, 1 Nob with PK and BP, Truck with RPJ and Boarding Planks - 157pts

Heavy
Battlewagon - Deffrolla, 2x big shoota, RPJ - 125pts
Battlewagon - Deffrolla, 2x big shoota, RPJ - 125pts

Elites
12 Burnas - 180pts
1 Mek - 15pts

Fast Attack
2x Rockit Buggies - 70pts


Total points 1087pts

Mob of 19 in battlewagon with the Warboss,
Mob of 10 in truck with Big Mek.

The thought behind this is the big mek gives the trucks the 4+ cover save and if the trucks did blow and the mobs had to foot slog they would then get 5+ cover save. The overal tactics are to charge forward all hitting targets at the same time. Send the burnas up in the wagon to cause havoc.

Let me know what you all think!

Thanks in advance,


ATO

Both Nids and DE will not want to see Lootas on the table. Therefore, lootas!
The box also comes with more burnas, so depending on the type of nids your facing the can be worth their points several times.
KFF + battlewagon is always good, especially if you string your footslogging orks close enough for the cover save.
Deff koptas are very useful in a variety of situations and against almost every army. Once again nids (with a lot of t6) and deldar (balsa wood transports) will be wary of the edges of the table.
More orks are always good too. Good luck

Thanks for the advice, I was thinking nids wouldnt like lootas and i guess i forgot about de squishy armour. I think a box or two of lootas is in order. Thanks man.

ATO

The mek with the burnas is a waste IMO
It seems to be missing some heavy support and I think lootas would be a great investment but remember you need them at 5-9-15 in a squad IMO. Some of the more experienced players may be able to vouch for the warboss but with your trucks and things as fragile as they ghazzy might e a good investment. Your list seems to be halfway between BW and green tide. IMO you could get faster shootier or heavier depending on your choices and how you play.

I agree with the lootas however IMO and personal experience looted wagons tear holes in nids and de plus there cheap. Despite all the negative things people say about looted wagons, there just one of those units opponents often underestimate and regret ignoring.

Well I dont really wanna go green tide and thats why all my boys are going in trucks or wagons. I can swapped the big mek and put him in one of the trucks. I realise i need to invest in some lootas. So if i was going for a faster army what other things would you suggest I get and drop from the current list?

Thanks in advance,

ATO

Also I would add either more buggies or deffkoptas. You definitely need more boyz tho.

Lootas are great for DE...vehicles and infantry alike. The same goes against tyranids, infantry or MC's. Just don't be surprised if they're assaulted by turn 2. Rokkit buggies might not be bad. They're cheap, and can pop DE and MC's as well. In the long run, a couple more battlewagons would be nice.

Alltheones wrote:Well I dont really wanna go green tide and thats why all my boys are going in trucks or wagons. I can swapped the big mek and put him in one of the trucks. I realise i need to invest in some lootas. So if i was going for a faster army what other things would you suggest I get and drop from the current list?

Thanks in advance,

ATO

I wouldn't put your mek in a trukk, If the trukk is blown up then he's out a ride and he can repair your wagon on a 4+. Buggies would definitely be a great option I will be trying them in my next game. People swear by koptas but I was very unimpressed with mine. So buggies are a great idea you could go for a battlewagon bash and run for wagons If you wanted (I'm running 5 ATM) the only issue that I've found with mech lists that have lootas are really two things. They get left behind and depending on them army (the two you listed wouldn't be an issue but someone who has long range fire support and can fire back at the same range or can sneak in behind them) leaves you with potentially 225 points of wasted potential. So I would definitely decide on what you want and run with it I can personally attest to the strength of bw's Rollin over whatever they want lol so that may be an option to look into as well.

Brother Taurinus wrote:Lootas are great for DE...vehicles and infantry alike. The same goes against tyranids, infantry or MC's. Just don't be surprised if they're assaulted by turn 2. Rokkit buggies might not be bad. They're cheap, and can pop DE and MC's as well. In the long run, a couple more battlewagons would be nice.

I forgot about the buggies, i've been on a deff kopta kick since black reach.
If you do opt for lootas split them in 2 units where they can't be multi-assaulted. This will cause the opponent trying to disrupt them to choose between the two and commonly lose his squad to your second group of lootas. If he doesn't have the option of dealing with them you can always reposition 1 and shoot with the other to keep the pressure on. Remember they are still ork boyz, if he under estimates them charge and deny him the bonuses and take advantage of furious charge lootas.

My army list basically consists of 3 boyz mobs in trukks 20 lootas and a big mek with KFF and nobz with PK and chopas does well agains almost any army but i have had trouble with nids

@warboss skul-krak

what kind of nids are you having trouble with? Shooty nids with deathstar? Nidzilla?

Given you have not got trukks already I would not go in that direction. Battlewagons are better.
You will probably want 2 kffs otherwise the warboss is a fine addition.
So something like the following:

Mek with kff
Mek with kff

12 Burnas

19 boyz+nob with bosspole and klaw
19 boyz+nob with bosspole and klaw

Battlewagon with death roller
Battlewagon with death roller
Battlewagon with death roller

With a bunch of buggies and koptas to shoot rockets at the enemy.

To save money model battlewagons and buggies yourself, using whatever is around and looks cool. Also you should have some spare loota parts, you can form lootas if you get some boys and sacrifice their legs to Mork.

Thanks for all the tips. I am thinking of buying another Battlewagon. So i was thinking of two wagons with 18 boys with a nob in each with a big mekk in each. Then have my lootas pinging shots from the back. I only have two buggies atm so they may be another addition. My final thought is bikes? are they any good?

ATO


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List now:

Big Mek - KFF - 85pts

18 boys, nob with PK and BP - 154pts
19 boys, nob with PK and BO - 160pts

9 Lootas - 180pts

Rockit Buggies x2 - 70pts

Looted Wagon with Boomgun - 105pts

Battlewagon x1 with DR, Boarding Planks, RPJ and 1 BS - 120pts

Battlewagon x1 with DP, Boarding Planks, RPJ and 2 BS- 125pts

Total 999pts

What do you think?

ATO

I love boom wagons, they are tons of fun and easy enough to make (just buy some poorly painted/beat up vehicle off ebay), but I would say if you take them you want two. Proxy it up for a game and see if you like it.

Deffkoptas are really effective at what they do and are also really easy to find for cheap.

I would agree with you getting both lootas and another BW. Lootas are so good and so fun, One of my fav ork units.

Just looking at what you own, it seems to be a good start to a kult of speed list. I personally have a tendency toward nobz and such but my theme\comp list is,for educational purposes, as follows:

warboss w/ pk, as, bike,cybrk,possibly kombi skorcha for hordes

4 man nob bike squad w/ 2 bc, pk, 2 skorcha,painboy, cybork all,bosspole,waagh! banner

very expensive hq deathstar but undeniably effective

5 man nob squad w\ 2pk,bc,2 skochas,painboy, cybork,bp ina trukk with rr and rpj

2x 11 boyz nob,pk,bp

20 boy nob,pk,bp

15 stormboyz with zag

i fill in the rest with 5 man deffkopta squad with buzzsawz and bigbomms.


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but, i have a deep seeded love for going extra fast, the only out of place unit i feel are the bw boyz due to the 12 inch movement. but with everything going 18 side by side i can hit multiple assaults ad leave just enough room to run the roller through some meaty umies, or some mid to high av vehicles

I like the sound of your list dude, I just think that I would rather have the two BW and the lootas supporting my dudes. Plus am i right in thinking if the BW moves 12 the dudes inside can still shoot?

ATO

I don't think they can... unless your looking at apocalypse because I use wreckin krew's for that exact reason.

O well maybe its move 6 and they can still shoot? that makes more sense I guess as its just as if they were on foot.

ATO

A unit of 3 killa kans all with grotzookas is a good way to go I find. 6 S6 AP5 blasts a turn is nasty even against marines. They'll hold their own in combat too. The only problem comes if they get immobilised it'll count as wrecked with them being a squadron.

I have thought to run a kan wall with shooty wagons(kannons and lobbas) to put more templates on the field. But that felt like making an unreliable ork army into IG

Yer i was thinking of Kan wall but i think orks excel at close combat so i decided to get them into cc as fast as i can lol.

ATO