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Hello all!

I recently bought the Lord Solar Macharius figure to lead my Imperial Guard army but found no rules for him anywhere so I created my own. I hope you like them but chances are they'll be a bit crap so could you please tell me any ways I could improve them it would be appreciated . Thanks!

Lord Solar Macharius: 250pts
WS7 BS5 S3 T3(4) W4 A4 Ld10 I5 Sv3++
Wargear: Armour of the Warmasters, The Emperor's Sidearm, Doomherald.
Armour of the Warmasters: This legendary suit of armour was crafted by Roboute Gulliman after the Horus Heresy from the remaining fragments of the Emperor's  Battle Armour that he wore during his final confrontation with Horus. It was crafted to be worn only by the Warmaster or Lord Solar as they were now called. It is imbued with the Emperor's own psychic might and grants the wearer a 3+ Armour and Invulnerable save as well as increasing their toughness to 4.
The Emperor's Sidearm: This relic Bolt Pistol is designed to fire specially made Godslayer Bolts. R18" S6 AP5 Pistol 1, Ignores Cover., Master Crafted.
Doomherald: A Master Crafted Power Sword that resolves all hits at strength 10.
Special Rules:
Fearless
Master Tactician: Lord Macharius's tactical knowledge is unrivalled and as such all Imperial Guard units automatically pass vox tests.
Eternal Warrior

Actually he did have rules, albeit very old ones

http://www.borsoft.net/ilbastione/download/documenti/LordCommanderSolarMacharius.pdf


I like most of what you have except for Doomherald. Makes him way too powerful even if he is the cost of a raider. Imo I dont see him as a front line fighter, but as a supreme commander who can readily buff his troops

Thanks for that link mate! Perhaps strength 8 is a bit more reasonable for Doomherald

More buffs, less combat monstrosity. I kind of imagine macharius as some kind of super coteaz type character. Someone who brings very good army buffs, and can defend himself against most things in combat, but wont smash marine commanders or whatever.

Make his sword S5, and give him the grey knights grand strategy rule.

Actually I don't know because Captain Lysander costs ten less points and gets a 2+ armour save and the Fist of Dorn who ah also resolves hits at strength 10.

Thesanguinesword wrote:Actually I don't know because Captain Lysander costs ten less points and gets a 2+ armour save and the Fist of Dorn who ah also resolves hits at strength 10.

Yeah sure, but lysander is a combat monster. that is his role in the army. Macharius is a great general, but nobody mentions him carving his way through squads of grey hunters single handedly. Nobody ever runs eldrad because of his close combat prowess, but hes a very good character.

Personally, I see him as a combination of Straken and Creed.
Able to buff/command troops around him, but is also no slouch in close combat.

Something like:
WS6 BS5 S3 T3(4) W4 A3 Ld10 I4 Sv3+/4++
MC Sword that IGNORES ARMOUR and confers+1S
MC Bolter 18" S4 AP4 Assault 2
All 3 Basic grenade types.
Iron Halo
Power Armour
The Emperor's Sidearm

Thesanguinesword wrote:Hello all!

I recently bought the Lord Solar Macharius figure to lead my Imperial Guard army but found no rules for him anywhere so I created my own. I hope you like them but chances are they'll be a bit crap so could you please tell me any ways I could improve them it would be appreciated . Thanks!

Lord Solar Macharius: 250pts
WS7 BS5 S3 T3(4) W4 A4 Ld10 I5 Sv3++
Wargear: Armour of the Warmasters, The Emperor's Sidearm, Doomherald.
Armour of the Warmasters: This legendary suit of armour was crafted by Roboute Gulliman after the Horus Heresy from the remaining fragments of the Emperor's  Battle Armour that he wore during his final confrontation with Horus. It was crafted to be worn only by the Warmaster or Lord Solar as they were now called. It is imbued with the Emperor's own psychic might and grants the wearer a 3+ Armour and Invulnerable save as well as increasing their toughness to 4.
The Emperor's Sidearm: This relic Bolt Pistol is designed to fire specially made Godslayer Bolts. R18" S6 AP5 Pistol 1, Ignores Cover., Master Crafted.
Doomherald: A Master Crafted Power Sword that resolves all hits at strength 10.
Special Rules:
Fearless
Master Tactician: Lord Macharius's tactical knowledge is unrivalled and as such all Imperial Guard units automatically pass vox tests.
Eternal Warrior

WS6 maximum, 7 seems a bit much for someone who we should all be reminded, is only human.
Doomherald seems a bit excessive. Change it to S6 maximum.
Master Tactician could use a bit of a boost similar to Grand Strategy, it wouldn't make me want to take Voxes anymore than before.

Needs more strategic/tactical effects, less CC/Shooty.

Lord Solar Macharius: 275pts

WS1d3+2 BS4 S3 T4 W4 A1d3+1 Ld11 I5 Sv4+/3++

Wargear: Armour of the Warmaster

Armour of the Warmaster: This legendary suit of armour was crafted by Adeptus Mechanicus ArchMagos on Mars from the remaining fragments of the Emperor's Battle Armour that he wore during his final confrontation with Horus. It was crafted to be worn only by Lord Solar Macharius. It is imbued with the Emperor's own psychic might and grants the wearer a 3+ Armour and Invulnerable save as well as increasing their toughness to 4.

Special Rules:
Fearless
Eternal Warrior
Warmaster: All friendly IG units within 30" may use Lord Solar Macharius' LD for any and all LD and morale tests, including orders.

Master Tactician: Lord Macharius' tactical knowledge is unrivalled and as such he may give up to 5 orders per turn to any unit within 30" of Macharius, and may issue up to two orders to a single unit. He has such a keen eye for the flow of battle, he may issue the same order twice to the same unit if he chooses.

Ferocious Loyalty: Should Lord Solar Macharius be slain, all friendly Guard units in play must take a leadership test (rules that allow a unit to willingly pass/fail a LD test do not apply). They may NOT use Lord Solar Macharius' LD for this test. Any units that fail their LD test must immediately charge the nearest enemy unit and attempt to assault on their next turn. Should they be unable to assault, they may then act normally on their following turn. Units that are able to assault an enemy unit gain the Furious charge USR for that turn.

Honestly his basline stats should be
WS 4 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 3 I 3 A 3 Ld 10 Sv 4+, 6++
Beyond that give him some special rules based on his command abilities, perhaps let him issue an absurd number of orders at a long range like 4 at 30" always at leadership 10. Perhaps give him some special rules relating to his combat genius, maybe after a unit comes in from reserve roll 1D6 and on a 6 the unit can outflank from either table edge.

In the end he should die if a dedicated CC model attacks him, a regular bloodletter should kill him, but he should be able to allow you to troll your opponent with his military genius.
Oh sorry, I just outflanked you with a Leman Russ, Al'Rahem's platoon, and a veteran squad.

Oh hey there, that is a cool super heavy (if you are playing apocalypse) I guess I will use Bring it Down on several lascannon heavy weapon squads up to 30" away to strip off its shields.

If you want downsides give him a special rule similar to rage, the enemy is close, he likes to battle, so he charges in against his better judgement. Look up Alexander III of Macedon since he is outright stated to be based off him.

You have to remember that the armour wasn't just crafted for Macharius it was crafted to be worn only by the Warmaster of the Imperium and no one else. We know that it has to have been made shortly after the Horus Heresy because that is when Warmaster was made a title for ordinary human soldiers to have. You also have to remember that he was the most skilled warrior in the Imperial Guard. Plus his armour must be crafted from the Emperor's Battle Plate because the chest and part of the helmet are the exact same. And I assumed that it was grafted by Gulliman because he was the one who brought the title of Warmaster/Lord Solar back into use and he would have been pretty much the only man alive with access to the Emperor's Armour.

Buttons wrote:Honestly his basline stats should be
WS 4 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 3 I 3 A 3 Ld 10 Sv 4+, 6++

He should at the very least have a ++5 since normal IG commanders do

Anyways with 6th out, I think the Warlord rules should be very much involved with him. Maybe the following?

Warmaster: Lord Solar Macharius MUST be the Warlord in an Army. In addition when rolling for traits, you may add or subtract 1 from the roll.

Or perhaps another option would be: In addition when rolling for traits, roll once for each table and choose one result to use for the battle

Or a really OTT option: In addition when rolling for traits, roll once for each table and apply all traits

kenshin620 wrote:

Buttons wrote:Honestly his basline stats should be
WS 4 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 3 I 3 A 3 Ld 10 Sv 4+, 6++

He should at the very least have a ++5 since normal IG commanders do

Anyways with 6th out, I think the Warlord rules should be very much involved with him. Maybe the following?

Warmaster: Lord Solar Macharius MUST be the Warlord in an Army. In addition when rolling for traits, you may add or subtract 1 from the roll.

Or perhaps another option would be: In addition when rolling for traits, roll once for each table and choose one result to use for the battle

Or a really OTT option: In addition when rolling for traits, roll once for each table and apply all traits

TBH I never knew what save a refractor field gave, always forgot to use it whenever my armour save was ignored. I always assumed it was a 6+ save just because it looked right. Odd that I missed such a relatively large bit of wargear after so long.

Anyway, I think Macharius should be a tactical commander, so give him bonuses to improve his actual army, in addition to using the IG orders system.

Was looking around for some of the old Macharius rules, and like some posting in this thread I was inspired to re-vamp him for 6th ed. I thought I'd post my attempt and will happily accept (constructive) feedback. It also seems more appropriate to post it here, rather than start a new thread (as the warning suggests). If an admin wants to move this elsewhere, feel free to do so.


So, I've attached the set of rules I came up with.

I've used him a few times in my local gaming group and he seems reasonably balanced to us. He's dirty to be sure, but not half as bad as Creed. For example he can't issue as many orders, or make a Reaver Titan outflank, but he's a bit harder in combat than Creed and has some interesting special rules that hopefully make him play differently rather than hiding at the back of the battlefield. It's my opinion that the biggest mistakes people tend to make is they make him 'Creed++', but with better equipment. Or worse: a ridiculous combt monster that wouldn't look out of place in Codex Grey Knights.

I don't want to offend the people who posted scary combat-macharius, but I wanted to try and keep him human, a total hard-ass, but a human nontheless. Accordingly he's still Initiative 3, and only WS 5. He's not even got eternal warrior but he is cheaper in points. Essentially I wanted him to be somewhere in between Creed and Kell, a consummate general but also a pretty good on the charge too. He's still ended up too close to a SM captian for my liking, which is why I've deliberately not given him a 3+ save or an Orbital Bombardment.

In case you can't be bothered to read the attatchment, here are the unique special rules I created.

Warmaster
Lord Solar Macharius MUST be the warlord of any Imperial Guard Army he is in. He can choose any ONE Strategic OR Command trait without having to roll the dice but he can NEVER take Personal traits. Also, to refect his high rank, a Company Command Squad containing Macharius increases the amount of each regimental advisor it can take by 1. This means he can take 2 officers of the fleet and/or 3 bodyguards etc. The bonus gained to your roll DOES stack.

Supreme Commander
Lord Solar Macharius has a command Radius of 24" and can issue up to 3 orders per turn. Additionally, of all the Warmasters in the history of the Imperium, no one has ever Inspired the same loyalty, bravery and quality in their troops as Macharius. To represent this, the Lord Solar can never roll an "Incompetant Comand" when giving orders, should he ever roll a double six treat the result as a "Could you repeat that Sir" result instead.

Purity of Purpose/Visionary
Lord Solar believed fanatically in his cause and in the sovereign right of mankind to rule the galaxy. Even in his own time he was regarded as a saint by many in the Ecclesiarcy, and entire populations converted to humanity's truth upon hearning him speak. Macharius has the "Righteous Fury" special rule as if he were a Ministorum Priest and this rule is confered to all units within 12" of him. However Macharius' zeal was often his undoing, leading him into rash actions that earned him the ire of many subordinate Generals. Macharius may never choose to deploy units in reserve, athough units can elect to Deep Strike as normal. Note that units which MUST deploy in reserve (such as Flyers) still do so.

Let me know what you think, I'm happy with how he works on the table at the moment, but he could do with a few tweaks.

Mattradius

Generally we prefer it if users refrain from necroing old threads like this.

However i think this is fair enough in this instance, please just bear it in mind for the future.