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I was wondering if anyone could explain this to me but lately I've been thinking about the daemons in 40k (what with all the new releases) and was thinking about this; If daemons are formed from emotions how do chaos marines mutate into daemon princes and stuff like that?

Because they gain the favor of a Greater Daemon or a Chaos God, IIRC...

Aye, it is usually explained as a "gift" by some patron.

I think the number of those that make the "full transition" from mutated human into full daemon is rather low, though. But even before reaching this final stage they might gain a small inkling of the daemons' ability to shape the raw energy of the warp and twist reality as well - with people that have not been psykers before suddenly developing the ability to "cast spells".

But does that mean if they make the full transition they become a being made from emotion or do they retain their original "Real" form?

Well, ...



I suppose it's clear to see which emotion has had what effect here.

Daemons are made of emotions but once coalesced they are living, sentient things (with powers). Just like how people are made of carbon but are more than that too.

They are made not of emotions, but of "warp stuff", which is a... "magical energy" that is comprised of the same "soul energy" that emotions are. This warp-stuff can be colored by, affected by and shaped by emotions, and for those with the appropriate talents (or basic physiology, i.e. daemons) can be channeled into all sorts of effects in real-space.

That's basically just refining it more. It;s like saying Humans are made of molecules which are made of elements which are made of atoms.

That's a better explanation, I guess.

I suppose it might work like in the Dragon Age-Setting (whose Fade does have a few parallels with Warhammer's Warp), where those daemons managing to penetrate the Veil and cross over into realspace take on a shape "emulating" the emotions they committed themselves to. In a way, for the daemons it is very much a matter of one's perception determining one's reality - though they have less power in the real world than within the Fade. It's less a matter of having an active control over their shape, but rather that the body is formed and deformed by their twisted idea of the emotions and thoughts that birthed them.

I think the same explanation might work in 40k as well.

Except that is important when it comes to dealing with Daemons. Once formed, Daemons are not affected by other "emotions" outside those that form the foundation of their being. Thinking happy thoughts at a Bloodletter is not going to keep it from tearing your arms off and beating you to death with them, for example. While I suppose it would be *possible*, theoretically, to reshape a daemon with emotional energy, there doesn't seem to be a basis for it in the fluff.

IRT Chaos Space Marines becoming Daemon Princes, that is a gift granted to the favored champions of particular Ruinous Powers or even Chaos Undivided...basically a promotion from highly-skilled, widely-experienced and infinitely-dangerous mortal warrior to immortal warrior with all the previous skills and experience, plus a whole bunch of daemonic powers.

I see it as working like this. ...and honestly, I hate myself for putting it this simply, but hey.

People have emotions.
Emotions = warp power.
Warp power gathering = Chaos God, eventually.
Chaos God gives a bit of warp power to a champion to transform them into a Daemon.

So, no, they're not really made of emotion - but they are inexplicably linked to the Warp, and their patron's innate power, from that point on.

Thanks Super ready,
that answers my question perfectly.

I should clarify - that's what happens with a Daemon *Prince*. Normal daemons are still created by their respective god giving up some of their power - but, as they're made purely of the stuff of the warp, they're much more linked to that original emotion than a Prince, who is tempered by their previous experience as a mortal.

Lynata wrote:That's a better explanation, I guess.

I suppose it might work like in the Dragon Age-Setting (whose Fade does have a few parallels with Warhammer's Warp), where those daemons managing to penetrate the Veil and cross over into realspace take on a shape "emulating" the emotions they committed themselves to. In a way, for the daemons it is very much a matter of one's perception determining one's reality - though they have less power in the real world than within the Fade. It's less a matter of having an active control over their shape, but rather that the body is formed and deformed by their twisted idea of the emotions and thoughts that birthed them.

I also noticed quite a few similarities between Dragon Age's Fade and The Warp when playing DA:O.


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Super Ready wrote:I should clarify - that's what happens with a Daemon *Prince*. Normal daemons are still created by their respective god giving up some of their power - but, as they're made purely of the stuff of the warp, they're much more linked to that original emotion than a Prince, who is tempered by their previous experience as a mortal.

They're just humans that have been mutated and "powered-up" by warp energy dispensed by the Chaos Gods.

wrong thread, oops.