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In another thread I was talking with the OP about zerkers and I thought I would share a 50 point list I have been toying with. 50 point zerker list (8 zerkers on a 4x4 board) that can make anyone cringe especially most Hordes players:

pButcher (6 WJ points)
- Berserker 6
- Berserker 6

MoW Kovnik 3
- Berserker 6
- Berserker 6

MoW Kovnik 3
- Berserker 6
- Berserker 6

Koldun Lord 4
- Berserker 6
- Berserker 6

I can't really find a weakness in this list because with that many zerkers who needs infantry? Your thoughts and comments on this list.

You kill three models and 6 berserkers are effectively doing not a whole lot. Legion, Circle, hell even Cygnar will roflstomp this. I'm a hordes player and I would love for you to drop this.

I played a light version of this list at 25 points and Legion and Cygnar had a hard time handling this list. If the Jack Marshals are removed from play the Jacks then become Autonomous. Since zerkers do not need focus to charge or run then they would just be doing their own thing. The jack marshals are only there to provide a way to get that many zerkers on the board and provide alittle boost.

So 12, your idea of removing the jack marshals would not work because you still have six jacks that can still charge, run and attack as normal.

The problem with these" slant" list is that once you play them a few times you're stuck with a ton of Berserkers Looks fun in the Dojo but I would not drop the money on this.

At 50 points and as a Hordes (Minions) player, I can say there is nothing to cringe over with that list... nice theme and all, but a waste of money - gets rolled in three turns most likely.

Maelok
- Blackhide
- Blackhide
- Boneswarm
Posse full
Posse full
Posse full
Witch Doctor
Witch Doctor
Swamp Gobber Belows Crew

Or an army that can move fast between or through your zerkers and assinate your warcaster. I'm thiking Cryx.

"Thats a nice wall of bezerkers....I'm going to walk Nightmare through them as if they aren't even there then punch your warcaster in the face.

aleis wrote:
Or an army that can move fast between or through your zerkers and assinate your warcaster. I'm thiking Cryx.

"Thats a nice wall of bezerkers....I'm going to walk Nightmare through them as if they aren't even there then punch your warcaster in the face.

Nightmare + WCoG ?

Why would this make most hordes players cringe? I can think of a beast heavy troll list with edoomie that would run this list into the ground pretty easily. Mulg with full buffs would smash a berzerker in what, two or three swings? Add in some maulers who will easily be knocking down 2 berserkers each turn. Keep in mind, you wont be able to shake the KD on most of them, which will effectively make them useless since all they could do is stand and walk back towards their punishment. Also - Add in a sea of whelps that will drop the berserker's already low MAT even lower. I dunno man, it would look neat in vassal, but I think alot of lists would beat it pretty easily. at 50pts, 8 berserkers just arent that scary.

I could see bronzebacks slamming the hell out of those berserkers, again, not being able to shake that KD will probably cause you some grief.

 toxic_wisdom wrote:

aleis wrote:
Or an army that can move fast between or through your zerkers and assinate your warcaster. I'm thiking Cryx.

"Thats a nice wall of bezerkers....I'm going to walk Nightmare through them as if they aren't even there then punch your warcaster in the face.

Nightmare + WCoG ?

Yes, claim one of the Zerkers in the middle as his prey to get the extra movement for being within 10", Add Infernal machine, he now has a Spd of 10 Mat 10 and reach. so you get a 12-15 inch threat range with pathfinder depending if you can charge.

And two seperate spells that allow you to ignore either units or an AoE of models which get no freestrikes. Pop the feat the turn before and and he's likely to pull his caster close to his lines so he can use some buff spells.

I think I am going to try the list since i have four zerkers already. Plus I can get zerkers dirt cheap and I have other Khador players in my normal group that want zerkers but can't afford them.

If i don't like playing all of those zerkers I can give a couple to each of those Khador players since i believe in paying it forward.

I will post on how it fairs.

 Pipboy101 wrote:
I played a light version of this list at 25 points and Legion and Cygnar had a hard time handling this list. If the Jack Marshals are removed from play the Jacks then become Autonomous. Since zerkers do not need focus to charge or run then they would just be doing their own thing. The jack marshals are only there to provide a way to get that many zerkers on the board and provide alittle boost.

So is this a 25 point list or 50 since good and bad are vastly different at different point levels? You've not played a good Legion or Cygnar player if they have problems with 'Jack spam. Both have so many counters to this it's silly.

So 12, your idea of removing the jack marshals would not work because you still have six jacks that can still charge, run and attack as normal.

You won't be able to boost to hit so they won't be attacking as normal since you won't be able to boost (MAT 5 is horrid) and you'll be missing most infantry on average dice rolls. I'll certainly be scared of their 7.5" threat.

I would much rather bring a balanced list of the following:

Kaelyssa, Night's Whisper (*7pts)
* Chimera (6pts)
* Phoenix (10pts)
Dawnguard Sentinels (Leader and 9 Grunts) (9pts)
* Griffon (4pts)
* Dawnguard Sentinel Officer & Standard (2pts)
Houseguard Halberdiers (Leader and 9 Grunts) (7pts)
* Houseguard Halberdiers Officer & Standard (2pts)
Mage Hunter Strikeforce (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Mage Hunter Commander (2pts)
Arcanist (1pts)
Arcanist (1pts)
Eiryss, Angel of Retribution (3pts)
Mage Hunter Assassin (2pts)

Eiryss positioned correctly, combined with Arcanik bolts means Stationary Warjacks that cannot shake it. Also, with out a way to boost attacks, that Mage hunter Assassin can simply walk up to your warcaster and the Mage hunter Strike force will need 9s to hit. Heck the Dawnguard sentinels will be dropping a good zerker or two a turn.

I think the idea is funny, but a balanced list can bog them down, or shut them out with stationary effects and good ol' focus fire.

If you are dead set on really running that many berserkers at 50 points, you should be running it with Karchev and not Butcher. Why: Unearthly rage.

So Butcher gives you tons of fun on 1 turn from his feat. Unfortunately, you still cannot reliably hit the broad side of anything with Mat 5 outside of butcher battle group. I'm also seeing you taking LOTS of command / jack marshall checks to get around that.

Karchev with 3 focus, gives everyone in his Battlegroup boosted attack / damage rolls. PLUS since you are now consistently hitting 2x, you are getting chain headbutts when you need them.

Add into that, you can Tow 3 of them, and the rest run for free. so they keep up. The only thing you "should do" is literally drop some to get 3 units of Demo Corp, and 1 unit of Ternions. That also nets you a -1 pt per Heavy Jack, so your list all of sudden looks like this...

Karchev Wc 5
Berserker 5
Berserker 5
Berserker 5
Berserker 5
Berserker 5
Berserker 5
Mechanik 2
Demo Corp FULL 9
Demo Corp FULL 9
Grey Lord Ternion 4

All of a sudden you have 10 multiple wound infantry who have advance move. So on turn 1 they can get 12 inches up the field, matching Karchevs Tow speed, with 3 Berserkers running. All of a sudden, your army is a lot more threatening, and more versatile. You have 4 Sprays in the army to deal with things that will bog you down. 10 multiple wound infantry who can swing 2x each on respectable Mat / damage... and 6 Berserkers, who basically have 3 attacks a piece

Mark sense? More versatile.
By the way... Toxic knows what he's talking about, he's seen my Karchev list plenty. The only way to deal with the Gatorman if your thinking Berserkers is to have the Demo Corp to multi swing / really lay on the hurt. Otherwise get some models with high mat, high strength, weaponmaster, and lots of attacks.

Butcher's spell boosts all atk rolls and allows free tramples. That lets him deal with tarpits really well. I would say pbutcher or karchev would both do this list well. It still is going to lose ALOT but you may have fun with it. I would drop the jack marshals and get some MOW like pipboy suggested. I think butcher gets them cheaper too with his theme list.

Butcher list only affects what's in his battlegroup, so those Berserkers that are being Jack Marshalled do not have boosted anything unless your using the Jack Marshall ability OR giving them focus from the Koldun Lord.

This is why i'm mentioning Karchev
- Berserkers already run or charge for free
- If all the Berserkers are in his battlegroup, they all get boosted attack / damage rolls
- They already get chain headbutts
- If you need to trample you can feat with Karchev, which his feat lets you make power attacks for free that you might need IE slams, tramples.
- So for the same spell cost IE 3 with full throttle vs unearthly rages, due to focusing on Berserkers who already run / charge for free, Unearthly rage wins out.
- Lastly unearthly rage gives models in the battlegroup IE all the Berserkers and Karchev Magical attacks, that's huge if your going with a list of this style. Butchers list will have near zero magical attacks.

njpc wrote:

Karchev Wc 5
Berserker 5
Berserker 5
Berserker 5
Berserker 5
Berserker 5
Berserker 5
Mechanik 2
Demo Corp FULL 9
Demo Corp FULL 9
Grey Lord Ternion 4

This looks like a super nasty list. I have put in an order for the rest of the stuff I don't have. So I have three more zerkers, Karchev and the 2 units of Demo Corp on the way. Honestly it looks like it will be fun because winning is great but it is more about fun.

There is technically 1 point left on the list. To maximizing effectiveness you have options:

-I think for 3 points you get 6 Battlemech's? might be something to think about
-Given you have 10 MoWs... the BM UA becomes a thought. I use him to add versatility. IE Now people have to kill the MoW's outright, or you just fix them. You take a durable unit, and make it MORE durable. I run a unit of Shock Troopers with 1 BM behind them. Becase at ARM 21 + 8 boxes, often they just sit on an objective and claim it all day long.

So if you went a min unit of mechs +UA you'd drop a Berserker. But that nets you 4 pts to play with if my math is right? Take a Drakhun without dismount, for counter charge and threat of knock down. Your mechs yep because you have a UA you can fix him to because.. .he's a MoW

The Drakhun also hits harder on a single attack / counter charge due to Weapon master... remember to use your mount attack

I was looking at that also. I have the ba UA and the mow mounted solo. I think i will drop one jack for those two.

I was able to change my order so the trigger has been pulled. In several weeks this lis will be built, painted, based and ready for battle. Should be fun.

I played a light version of this list in our League 35 point game last night with pButcher and shocktroopers since the Special K hasn't gotten here yet and the Demo Corp are not painted yet.

Here was the 35 point pButcher Tier 2 light list:
pButcher (6 WJ)
3 Zerkers 18
Wardog 1
3 MoW Shocktroopers 5
3 MoW Shocktroopers 5
5 MoW Shocktroopers 8
MoW Drakhun (w/o dismount) 4

This list performed great against eHaley list:
eHaley (5 WJ)
Squire 2
Charger 4
Lancer 6
2 Ironclads 14
Journeyman Warcaster 3
Full unit of Long Gunners 10

The MoW spent 75% of the game out of Shield Wall so it was very close to the staying power of the Demo Corp when it comes to defense and being able to survive. The MoW tied up and/or destroyed the Cygnar Jacks. The three zerkers were able to flank the Long Gunners and the Journeyman Warcaster killing them. Only the Charger survived. On the fifth turn Butcher destroyed the Lancer. Once free of the Lance the lone MoW that was left from a 3 man MoW unit charged eHaley to tie her up blocking LOS to pButcher. On the sixth turn he shifted to the right to leave a charge lane for pButcher with full focus and no damage on him to charge eHaley. pButcher did what he does best is put axe to face. Two hits and eHaley was dead for the win.

75% of the Cygnar forces were destroyed along with the caster.

1 zerker, MoW Drakhun and 8 MoW destroyed. The MoW took a beating but still hung around all game tying up the jacks in combat not allowing the Long Gunners to CRA without a change of hitting their own jacks till the zerkers plowed into the Long Gunners.

Lessons learned: The Drakhun is a wonderful threat with his reach, weapon master and counter charge. Always take dismount if that means dropping the wardog.

sorry for thread necromancy, but is a list like this still possible. Berserkers and manowars are the best looking in my mind, and karachev is an awesome looking caster too.

It is still a good list so far. But I have a friend that is running a 50 point, 6 zerker and 1 behemoth list that is rocking it right now. It is a super strong list on caster kill but hard when it come to objectives. It is also a little hard play with against an near all infantry list. But since the zerkers do not need focus to do their jobs objectives should be fine as long as one is willing to break up their brick wall of steel.